Think About It.
I hear complaints from some about veganism and vegetarianism. Meat eaters seem as defensive about their diets as Christians and Muslims are about their religions. Perhaps the same kind of false assumptions and faith is being applied.

Lots of meat eaters claim that it is there right to eat meat. That eating meat is a personal choice. Eating meat is exercising their freedom. It tastes good so there fore they should eat it.

Well just like religion has lost all it battles when confronted by science so has the argument that meat or animal products are good for human consumption, They have lost in the legitimate scientific research studies. I am not just talking recent scientific studies either. Researchers back in the early 1800s found the same results. One such researcher Dr. George Macilwain became a vegetarian after finding that animal grease, fat and alcohol as being leading causes of cancer.
Both Socrates and Plato wrote in favor of a plant-based diet. Quote from Plato” We shall eat animals at our own peril.” It has been obvious for centuries that those who ate large amounts of meat and animal products suffered more diseases.

Lets look at Americans today. 82% of Americans are at risk of heart disease, 65% are over weight 31% are obese and suffer high levels of diabetes, joint problems, and numerous types of cancers.

Over 700,000 Americans die each year of heart disease and millions more suffer related problems. Creating a giant market for the pharmaceutical industry.
Nearly 600,000 Americans die of cancers each and millions more suffer from the pain of chemo and radiation treatments that often cause secondary cancers to start. The cost of these diseases are bringing our health care system to its knees.

At the root of all this suffering and death is American’s high consumption of animal products. The science is in if you want to reduce your risk of these diseases reduce or cut these food out of your diet. A vegetarian reduces their risk of heart disease and cancer by an average of 50%. A vegan reduces their risk of heart disease and cancer by an average of 86%. Yet the greed of the food industries still markets these dangerous animal products as necessary nutrients.

Lets examine the argument,” It’s my body and my personal right to eat meat if I want to.”
Is eating meat or animal products personal? The obvious answer to this question is no. The decision to eat animal products affects everyone on the planet. Your personal choice to do something harmful to the planet and a majority of your country men all deciding to do the same thing has a dramatic effect on this planet and our life support systems. Raising millions of animals for slaughter wastes 90% percent of the calories farmed to feed them while 60 million people starve to death on this planet. Raising millions of animals for food produces more green house gases than transportation and industry combined. Raising millions of animals for slaughter is producing billions of tons of sewage waste that is polluting our rivers streams and fresh water aquifers. Every pound of meat uses a gallon of petroleum. The animal products industry has a huge carbon footprint. And for a world in a fresh water crisis the animal food industry is the largest waster of fresh water there is.

So you see eating meat is based on false assumptions and faith. When you choose to eat animal product you are not only affecting your own health but the health of every one you love. Your decision to eat meat affects everyone on the planet and it affects the health of our planet. Eating meat is not personal it is a selfish choice in a world that cannot sustain such choices.

Atheists pride them selves as self disciplined thinkers. Is it any wonder that so many of our greatest atheist minds have chosen to be vegan or vegetarian? Perhaps as a meat-eating atheist you should re-examine your dietary choices and see if they are logical or rational behavior. Dennis Renner

"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist

"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921

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Comment by Galen on November 28, 2009 at 6:09pm
If I wanted to get preached at and told how bad I am for doing the natural things that my body has evolved to do, I'd go to a Christian website. Thanks, bye.
Comment by Dan on November 28, 2009 at 6:09pm
Meat is Murder.... and murder tastes GOOOOOD.

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Comment by Doug Reardon on November 28, 2009 at 6:17pm
Did you know that cats are obligate carnivores? Most creatures are omnivores. And I didn't know that vegans didn't have health problems. I agree that a vegetarian diet could be highly beneficial to the survival of the human species. I also agree that, from a human perspective, eating animals is less than the pinnacle of morality. It is just that meat eating did see the species through some tough times, and we did evolve to be omnivores. If society were to collapse, it would be very difficult to survive the winter months, in the higher latitudes, on a strictly vegetarian diet. So while I applaud your position, I just think it may not be efficacious for every member of the human race to turn to a diet consisting of nothing but veggies.
Comment by girlatheist on November 28, 2009 at 7:35pm
If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. So there.
Comment by Gaytor on November 28, 2009 at 8:04pm
You are making some decent arguments. I find mycoprotein to be tasty. I like a lot of veggie-burgers and generally eat healthy and a well balanced meal. My 300 lbs sister likes to call me gay in because she and her man are the picture goal that my wife and I should aspire to be. But health is as far as I'm convinced today.
Living in Seattle I have plenty of friends whom are Vegetarian. Outside of veggie-burgers, I can't think of a time where I've felt satisfied from one of their meals. I'm not hungry, but I don't think, boy, that was a great meal. You find a way to make the meal enjoyable, I could join in.
The other side of the problem that we would have to address is what do you do with the animals? How do you make them valuable enough to avoid extinction? I don't know if you've noticed, but horses are virtually free. You can ride them. Cows, pigs and chickens aren't nearly as useful outside of being a food product. Think of the price of the by products like eggs and milk if you can't use the animal meat as a food product at the end it useful life. It's not unlike the argument against using wood products. If you stop using wood products completely, what's the value of having the trees which help create clean air and prevent erosion. It may seem like a weak argument until we realize the unforseen consequence. Think about food prices and Ethanol.
If we could make the meals more satisfying, I'm o.k. with eating it. Economic modeling would really need to be done in a complete manner before we would understand the consequences beyond the benefits. Maybe it's been done, but that's my initial reaction.
Comment by Reggie on November 28, 2009 at 8:14pm
Yeah, pretty much I agree with Doug Reardon.

Eating meat is a personal choice. In doing so I am exercising freedoms. It does taste good. I'm not sure about people having a right to eat particular diets, though. Might makes right, in this case, but Peter Singer has made me aware of the moral issues involved with eating meat. And there are other factors, as you mention, as well.

But, I could never be a vegan or a vegetarian. But I can completely support a message of "eat less meat". Unfortunately, with the rise of the middle class in places like India and China, we will only see a dramatically increased demand for meat.

For my own part, I am trying to eat more vegetables, rice, and beans. Gone are the days of a meat dish with two meat sides or replacing the buns on my burger with two patties of meat.
Comment by Reggie on November 28, 2009 at 8:32pm
Comment by Paul Carlton on November 28, 2009 at 9:45pm
The "evolved" argument doesn't stand so tall with me. The data is in and it supports vegan / vegetarian eating habits.
Comment by Galen on November 28, 2009 at 10:20pm
Well the evolved argument can stand wherever you like, my friend, but it doesn't change the several million years of humans eating meat. It may disgust you, it may not be your thing personally, but it is a HUMAN thing and we're gonna stick with it, ok? You go ahead and have fun pretending to be a cow. :)
Comment by Paul Carlton on November 28, 2009 at 10:48pm
Well my friend ;) I'm not pretending to be a cow. I'm a primate. I'll eat similarly to my primate cousins. :)

"Chimpanzee diets are composed mainly of ripe fruits but vary according to the time of the year and abundance of specific food items. They will spend many hours a day eating about 20 different species of plants and up to about 300 different species during a one year period. They do not store food and will eat it at the place they find it. They also enjoy eating young leaves particularly in the afternoon. In long dry seasons when fruit is scarce, tree seeds, flowers, soft pith, galls, resin and bark become an important part of their diet."

They eat insects too but I have the choice not to eat that! XD

However whether or not we've been eating meats for the number of years you've mentioned. (Please state source as well :) We were never meant to eat dairy. Hence the amount of data rolling in linking milk with allergies, arthritis, osteoperosis etc.. Casein protein is not a good protein for humans, it's a growth protein, and our mothers milk is mostly nutrients that further nervous system development (like our brain) not growth protein. The main reason why milk is in our diet is because of indo-europeans a few hundred years back using cattle milk to feed them during the winter.

Very in depth article which include the big arguments:

And whoever said vegans were malnourished weaklings. ;)

Here's a quick excerpt for those reading:

John A. McDougall, M.D., perhaps the most knowledgable expert on the relationship between diet and disease, asserts that our early ancestors from at least four million years ago followed diets almost exclusively of plant foods. Many other scientists believe that early humans were largely vegetarian. (See articles by Grande & Leckie and Derek Wall.) Then there's the newest research:

Robert W. Sussman, Ph.D., professor anthropology in Arts & Sciences, spoke at a press briefing, "Early Humans on the Menu," during the American Association for the Advancement of the Science's Annual Meeting....

...[E]arly man was not an aggressive killer, Sussman argues. He poses a new theory, based on the fossil record and living primate species, that primates have been prey for millions of years, a fact that greatly influenced the evolution of early man.

"Our intelligence, cooperation and many other features we have as modern humans developed from our attempts to out-smart the predator," says Sussman....

The idea of "Man the Hunter" is the generally accepted paradigm of human evolution, says Sussman, "It developed from a basic Judeo-Christian ideology of man being inherently evil, aggressive and a natural killer. In fact, when you really examine the fossil and living non-human primate evidence, that is just not the case."

Sussman's research is based on studying the fossil evidence dating back nearly seven million years. "Most theories on Man the Hunter fail to incorporate this key fossil evidence," Sussman says. "We wanted evidence, not just theory. We thoroughly examined literature available on the skulls, bones, footprints and on environmental evidence, both of our hominid ancestors and the predators that coexisted with them." ...

But what Sussman and Hart discovered is that Australopithecus afarensis was not dentally pre-adapted to eat meat. "It didn't have the sharp shearing blades necessary to retain and cut such foods," Sussman says. "These early humans simply couldn't eat meat. If they couldn't eat meat, why would they hunt?"

It was not possible for early humans to consume a large amount of meat until fire was controlled and cooking was possible. Sussman points out that the first tools didn't appear until two million years ago. And there wasn't good evidence of fire until after 800,000 years ago., 2006


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