Recently, a Christian friend of mine posted this on his FB notes:

God vs. Science

'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The
atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks
one of
his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?' 'Absolutely. '

'Is God good?' 'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly.

'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here
and you
can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!' 'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if
you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He
doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even
though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can
you answer that
one?'

The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er...yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there
evil in this world?' 'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything,
correct?'
'Yes'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created
everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to
the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness?
Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist
in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question.

'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the
lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is
mesmerized. 'Tell me,'
he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I
do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you
use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen
Jesus?' 'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your
Jesus?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't..'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a
question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?' 'And is
there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.
The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which
is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such
thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest
-458 degrees.'

'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or
transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or
transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat.
You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of
heat. We cannot measure cold.

Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy.
Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as
darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night
if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright
light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have
nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to
define the word.'

'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to
make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him.
This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is
flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.
'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student
explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good
God and a bad
God.

You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'

'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much
less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life
is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive
thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he
realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a
preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the
commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other
student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class
who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into
laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's
brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's
brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established
rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you
have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the
student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I
guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists
with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as
evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We
see it everyday It is in the daily example of man's in humanity to man.
It is
in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.
These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at
least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.
It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result
of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.
It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that
comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.


If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face
when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God
vs Science'

How can this message be so wrong that I'm tempted to scream at whoever originated it?

Let's see. How should I respond to this.

  1. Dear theistic friends,

    I am sorry to inform you that although this scenario, the simplistic overpowering of science - represented by the atheist professor - by religion, is not happening soon. This atheist professor seems to be too malinformed and I hope the university I will be attending next fall won't be taught by professors that cannot pinpoint the flaws in the student's reasoning. But since he can't, I will volunteer to enlighten you

    • No, cold is not the "opposite of heat." Science does not tell that. "Cold" and "warm" are sensations, perceptions of temperature. If I stick you in a freezer or an oven, you'll feel that. Heat, on the other hand, is the transferring of thermal energy from one body, usually a warm one to a cold one. Heat, not to be confused with warm.
    • "In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you"
      Say whaaa? So brightness isn't, if it were, you would be able to make brightness brighter. So yellow isn't, if it were, you would be able to make yellow yellower.So red isn't, if it were, you would be able to make red redder. So correct isn't, if it were, you would be able to make correct correcter. So human isn't, if it were, you would be able to make human humaner. So god isn't, if it were, you would be able to make god godder.
    • No, I do not believe the professor has a brain because I have "faith in such." There is a distinction between "observable, but not observed" and "non-observable." If I split the professor's head in half, I'll find his brain. I know his brain is there, because he needs it conduct all neurological activities, to think, to respond. However, no matter how many mountains and clouds I split, I will not find god. Even if I sever the Earth right down to its core, I will find no evidence whatsoever of god.
    • How can you say that evil does not exist? As TTA puts it, so "is genocide the absence of kind?" Is slavery the absence of good? Is torture the absence of hugs? Since Christian dogma accepts the existence satan, couldn't I as easily say that good does not exist, it is simply the absence of the devil? And since "god is the presence of good" and good does not exist, then god does not exist?
    • So death is the absence of life? What other antonyms can I play? Are smiles the absence of tears? Up the absence of down? Left the absence of right?
    • How can god be both omnipresent and absent at the same time? God, the absence of logic?
    • If you have read the Bible, how do you account for this:
      "I form the light and create darkness,
      I bring prosperity and create disaster;
      I, the LORD, do all these things."
      Isaiah 45:7

  2. Allah/Vishnu/Apollo/Thor/Pink Unicorn is indeed wonderful. Praise Allah/Vishnu/Apollo/Thor/Pink Unicorn
  3. Unfortunately, I will most likely shut up because I don't want to start a flame war on FB. So many of my friends are Christian, and I don't want to alienate them. I don't want to head-desk/face-palm by debating them as has been the case with so many religious debates...

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Comment by Jānis Ķimsis on April 14, 2010 at 8:26am
I've always felt that the main problem about religion with regards to science is that "god" is shorthand for "I don't know how that happened, and have no intention of finding out".
Comment by Allen Sneed on April 14, 2010 at 9:07am
This is funny. I was cringing when I reading the professor's straw man arguments against God. I kept thinking, oh man, I am an atheist and I'm not even buying this shit. Then I laughed out loud at the utter nonsense coming from the theist. What a twist! Unreason in the guise of wisdom the whole way through.
Comment by Gaytor on April 14, 2010 at 12:38pm
I like how the examples the theist uses have a measurable antithesis. We can measure heat. We can measure light. We can verify the existence of life. We could scan the professors skull to see a brain. Sadly for his good and evil argument, i only recognize positive acts and negative acts. The Good and Evil arguments denote forces directing action. We have not observed this force on either side. Nor have we measured the existence of God. So proposing the antithesis exists does not follow his previous examples because we can measure the positive but not the negative. In the case of God, we have neither.
Religious logic fails again. I love these chain emails and posts. it's such a clear example of how they don't think about what they are reading.
Comment by Prazzie on April 14, 2010 at 2:00pm
I loved this.

While science is busy dealing with evidence and churning out papers filled with data and analyses that can be examined and verified by anyone willing to do the work, religion continues to make up cutesy stories.

This one was quite a whopper. It's like an amalgam of all the atheist vs wise-ass Christian stories ever told. Forget Jesus and Satan - In 2000 years, people will be worshipping The Righteous Student and fighting the evil forces of The Atheist Professor.
Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on April 14, 2010 at 4:12pm
That story is OBVIOUSLY fabricated, it reminds me of the annoying "atheist professor drops chalk" video that my christian friends keep sending me. This is it:
Other than being dubious, this annoying video is also irrelevant to atheism. So the chalk didn't break! WTH DOES THAT PROVE?!!!
Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on April 14, 2010 at 4:20pm
And of course, an AWESOME rebuttal to this stupid video. BTW.... The chalk story video has not been verified in the video or comments section about it's authenticity, the source of the story, the name of the professor, the name of the christian student.... nothing!
Comment by Olivia Kuo on April 14, 2010 at 4:55pm
I was definitely cringing with the atheist professor's argument. Little did I know that it had a theistic student follow-up.

"It's such a clear example of how they don't think about what they are reading."

Definitely. I hate having that pop up in my news feed and notice that he tagged a load of his Christian friends and the comments just follow with the "Amen" and thumbs-ups. Makes me wonder if any of them actually thought about it.

No doubts on it's fakeness. Apparently, this was a spin-off this: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp - like Einstein was a theist... The "professor drops chalk" thing is ridiculous :/ How about, "at pressure of 1 atm, I will raise the temperature of the water in this container to 200 oC, and if god exists, he will keep the water from boiling?"
Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on April 14, 2010 at 5:16pm
USE #2!!! USE #2!!! :D
Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on April 14, 2010 at 5:23pm
Oh, btw... here's another one you can use with #1. The facebook person makes the claim that "Evil is the Absense of God." What I would ask him/ her is "Are you a sinner?" Then, inevitably [unless he/she has an ego bigger than the milkyway galaxy] he/she will answer "Yes, I sin sometimes." Then say.... "Oh! But isn't sin evil? Didn't God say sin is evil?" Then he/she will either say nothing [which means yes] or say yes. If he/she does then say "Okay, if you sinned, that means you have done evil... therefore... you lack God because you have done evil."
Comment by Mario Rodgers on April 14, 2010 at 6:15pm
Right. Evil is the absence of God, but God is still everywhere?

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