Pride cometh before a fall??--I don't think so.


Perhaps one of the most pernicious doctrines of the Christian faith the the belief that pride is somehow an iniquitous trait, when in fact, this is not the case at all. Christians have it all wrong.


When speaking to Christians on the subject of pride, they tell me that pride is probably the most dangerous of sins, and it is pride which keeps them from seeing their so-called "sinfulness" and their need for a Savior. And it is pride which keeps them from humbling themselves to receive the grace of their God.


Many Christians also believe it is pride which got Lucifer (?) kicked out of heaven and it his pride which instigated a rebellion that has lasted to this day. Many believe pride to be the most dangerous and deadly of sins as it caused the downfall of Lucifer, with all of its attending every tragedy on earth for them can be attributed to the "pride of Lucifer." Ridiculous....I know.


For one thing, Christians love using Humpty Dumpty semantics to make words mean whatever they want them to mean. In this case, they take the passages from Isaiah 14, which refer to the King of Babylon, who is struck with a sword, killed and thrown into a common grave, and give them an entirely different meaning. Keep in mind that the Jews who wrote the Torah/Tanakh had no concept of a devil, as Satan is merely one of the "sons of god" in Genesis 6, who also comes in the entourage of "sons of god" in Job. They do not believe in "hell and satan" in the same context that Christians do. They were writing about the King of Babylon, and the "fallen angel", namely Lucifer, is a christian construct with no foundation in the Torah/Tanakh.


That being said, pride in oneself is NOT a vice, but a virtue. To use Aristotle's definition: Pride is the mean between two vices. For example: Courage is the mean between cowardice and foolhardy.

Pride is defined as the proper amount of self respect. The christian definition has been added as a definition which makes no sense. You can never have too much pride if pride is the proper amount of self respect--the christians misuse the word. Pride is between humble and arrogant/boastful, and I consider pride to be the highest virtue because if you have pride, then you will not disrespect yourself, and you will uphold all of the virtues.

The confusion comes about because christians want to make humble a virtue instead of a vice. Humble is defined as:

1.having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.:In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.

2. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.;lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.


In fact, humbleness and meekness can be considered some of the worst attributes a person can have, as it allows them to be overcome by someone else's dogma. Being "meek and humble" conditions people to believe they are not "worthy"enough to think for themselves. It is a tactic the church has used for thousands of years now, with amazing results, as it creates generations upon generations of "sheeple" who blindly follow the leader, without thinking.


But the men who use the concept of Yahweh and his vow to "destroy the wisdom of the wise" are losing ground. In today's society, where one can speak freely without threat of persecution (well, for the most part..:) more and more people are coming to realize religion, in particular the worship of deities, is nothing more than false hope. Let's hope it continues.

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Comment by Steve M on January 11, 2011 at 8:34pm
I never thought of pride in those terms. Very enlightening. The analogy of  courage being the mean between cowardice and foolhardy hits the mark.  I can't wait to pass this insight on.
Comment by Steve M on January 11, 2011 at 8:40pm

By the way you mention "The sons of God" as referred to in Genesis. I always wondered why their seems to be no explanation of who these guys were.  Apparently the liked the daughters of man

but they seem to come out of nowhere. Do you have any information on these characters and what their significance is to the story being told in Genesis.  I know this is off topic but you seem to be informed in this area and I was just curious.

Comment by Cathy Cooper on January 11, 2011 at 9:09pm

The "sons of god" are the sons of the various gods of the gods and goddesses of the Jewish pantheons.  Yes, there were MANY gods and goddesses.  So many that it is mentioned in Jeremial 11:13, that they had as many as they had "towns in Judah"  Asherah was a goddess consort of Yahweh represented by the tree of life, and she too, along with the other various gods and goddesses, were killed off in favor of monotheism when King David merged the tribes together.

I hope that explains things a bit better for you.  There is a good text on the subject called "God and the Gods-Myths of the Bible" - Beltz.

Comment by Steve M on January 12, 2011 at 8:51pm
Thanks for the information. I had read that the early Jews were not monotheists but this was only in relation to their belief that there were other gods besides there own but that theirs was the only one they could worship.  Funny how something this significant is never brought up. I guess it would just spoil the simple narative.
Comment by Steve M on January 12, 2011 at 8:55pm
By the way I had a chance to put forth your observations on the misuse of the word "pride" to a theist friend of mine today and he actually agreed with what you said. Funny huh!
Comment by Cathy Cooper on January 13, 2011 at 1:09am

Thanks for spreading the word!  The misconceptions of the word "pride" by christians has caused a great deal of grief for many's sad really.


I'm glad the info on the "gods" helped.  They try to hide them the best they can....but they fail.  Once I learned the all made sense.


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