Please critique any Logic Chain. I am attempting to allow another person to understand why I come to a conclusion. This is the beginning of me trying to understand ideal communication.

Axiomatic Style - Every statement must be true and link with each other to form the Logic Chain.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Star.

Now, Stars exist. Better Atoms come from Stars.

Stronger Stars require and produce more complex Atoms.

Life requires complex Atoms to form foundational and complex Chemicals.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Star.

The Star must improve to become a Giant Star.

Now, Giant Stars exist. Better Atoms come from stronger Stars.

Life requires complex Atomic structures.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Star.

The Star must improve to become a Giant Star.

The Giant Star must improve to become a Black Hole

Now, Black Holes exist. Galactic refuse is captured and destroyed by Black Holes.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Rock.

Now, Rocks exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to gather more energy.

Now, Self Replicating, Animated Beings exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

Now, Cells exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

Now, Animals exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

Now, Society exists.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to become a .

Now, Humans exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

Now, Needs exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

The Human must improve Food to improve Population.

Now, Agriculture and Society exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

The Human must improve Food to improve Population.

The Human must improve Housing to improve Society.

Now, Architecture and Politics exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

The Human must improve Food to improve Population.

The Human must improve Housing to improve Society.

The Human must improve Food and Housing distribution to improve Free Time.

Now, Specialization exists.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

The Human must improve Food to improve Population.

The Human must improve Housing to improve Society.

The Human must improve Food and Housing distribution to improve Free Time.

The Specialist must improve their skill and understanding to increase their Income.

Now, the various disciplines of human pursuit exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal forms a group to improve their own life and the lives of others.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

The Human Goal must improve by Need.

The Human must improve Food to improve Population.

The Human must improve Housing to improve Society.

The Human must improve Food and Housing distribution to improve Free Time.

The Specialist must improve their skill and understanding to increase their Income.

The Specialist relies on other specialists to improve their own pursuit before breakthroughs are possible.

Now, Science exists.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to understand a Goal.

Now, Goals exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build a House.

Now, Houses exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build Plastic.

Now, Plastic exists.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build a computer.

Now, Computers exist.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build a Computer.

The Computer must improve to become Conscious.

Now, Computer Consciousness exists.

 

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build a Computer.

The Computer must improve to become Conscious.

The Computer Consciousness must improve to serve Humans.

Now, Artificial Intelligence exists.

The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

The Atom must improve to become a Molecule.

The Molecule must improve to become a Chemical.

The Chemical must improve to become a Protein.

The Protein must improve to become a Self Replicator.

The Self Replicator must improve to become a Cell.

The Cell must improve to become an Animal.

The Animal must improve to become a Human.

The Human must improve to build a Computer.

The Computer must improve to become Conscious.

The Computer Consciousness must improve to serve Humans.

The Artificial Intelligence must improve to understand a Goal.

Views: 73

Comment by Simon Paynton on January 31, 2017 at 5:28pm

"The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom.

- why must it? 

"improve

- who's to say what "improve" means?  By what standard? 

"must

- who's to say "must"?  Where does the imperative come from? 

Comment by Andrew Brown on January 31, 2017 at 5:57pm

It must because it happened.

Improve is a relative term. From the Hydrogen perspective, finding another partner, another Hydrogen atom, provides better balance which is an improvement from the Hydrogen perspective.

Comment by Davis Goodman on January 31, 2017 at 6:08pm

First question about this:
.
The Quantum Soup must improve its own existence to become an Atom

I'm not sure what you mean by "improve". It has many different definitions. For example "we have to improve the consistency of our product" or "he has improved his typing skills quickly" or "if the weather improves we can go to the park" or as animals evolve some of them improve their chances of passing their genes onto the next generation", "you have to improve your french skills and then you can come to Paris Fashion Week with the team". "this will improve your chances of getting into the club",

There are many different meanings (though within the same nebula of meaning). Which one or what exactly are you referring to with "improve"?

What do you mean by "must"? These also have different meanings:

Species must eventually adapt or face an abrupt dissappearance from their enviroment. If the compass points to North then you must be facing north.
You must be kidding? People must breathe. Must I go to the party? "he must have gotten home late". All students must leave their mobile devices turned off during the exam.

(amongst many more)

With must there is even more variation amongst the meanings than with "improve" though it is still all within a nebula of meaning (all rather similar and somewhat connected). When you say quantum soup MUST improve, which definition of "must" are you referring to?

I know it sounds terribly pedanting but with the several dozen possible combinations of the different meanings of the two words, we get VERY different statements. For example:

According to the laws of physics, quantum soup must eventually, as an inevitability, improve it's lack of order by forming more complex yet more stable agents.

or

Quantum soup must evolve into atoms if there is any chance for a universe to form with the possibility of intelligent life?

or

many other possible examples.

So what do you mean?

. Must can be an obligation, a rule, an unbreakable law, a feeling, blackmail, an offer or reward or punishment, a certainty, an intuition or guess about what's happening.

There are many meanings

_____

One quick comment about using the reflexive "do something yourself". It's best to avoid referring to objects in the reflexive as it can create quite a bit of confusion. For example "who did the gas escape the balloon?" "well...it must have found itself a way out". This implies that the gas wanted to leave and through determination and cleverness it pulled it off. We know that the use of this was metaphorical in that example, but when you get into comsological/metaphysical territory, it's best to avoid this because you might start sounding like religious people who do inject intelligence into cold meaningless objects. The cosmic soup never improved itself, that sort of hints that they have a pseudo consciousness or overpowering will to do it.

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 1, 2017 at 3:19am

"Improve is a relative term. From the Hydrogen perspective, finding another partner, another Hydrogen atom, provides better balance which is an improvement from the Hydrogen perspective.

- you could say that a hydrogen molecule is more stable than a single hydrogen atom.  Stability is an objective physical fact.  "Improvement" is a loaded, subjective human value judgement. 

Comment by TJ on February 1, 2017 at 10:20am

I too have an issue with "improve"...as who's to say if H2 is "better than H...and so forth.

Is O3 "better than O2?

And so forth.

IE: You have considered a questionable given, in what you wanted to be an axiom.

:D

Comment by Pope Beanie on February 1, 2017 at 10:34am
I largely agree with the previous comments. As matter organizes and complexity increases, the entire system is usually assuming a lower "energy state". You could say that some systems gain higher energy state, but that comes from a larger system that created the smaller one.

I'm using terms like lower with less value-laden weight than how you're using the word 'improve', but even my words imply value that I don't mean to. Energy is another term that is often used with value implied, but I'm trying not to use it that way; I'm using the word energy in the context of entropy, a function of the direction of time on the organization and enrgy states of matter falling into new forms.

As the universe eventually cools and coalesces into more localized areas of mass like black holes, other masses, forms of permanent stability and death, is that also "improvement"? It's just the slowing down of the processes we are currently experiencing and appreciating because we're alive and consciously aware of such processes, and life.
Comment by Andrew Brown on February 1, 2017 at 4:54pm

Pope,

The black hole is part of existence. As the ant must eat anything available (tons of trash), the black hole must suck up everything in range then it dies. Both justify their existence without our approval :)

All of it is part of the balance, all of it is part of nature and each part of nature improves Nature as a whole.

It is nigh impossible for a human to see the benefit of black holes while we are being sucked inside, but the black hole evolved because it had no choice :)

Comment by Andrew Brown on February 1, 2017 at 4:57pm

Davis, 

As Einstein proved, everything is relative.

Improvement from my perspective is different than your perspective.

We can agree a single Hydrogen atom (1P,1e) exists. Basic chemistry tells us the Valence shell MUST find balance, as everything seeks the best balance available or stated another way, the lowest energy level.

The valence shell forces the Hydrogen atom to bond with a 2nd Hydrogen atom. A change was made which is an improvement from the two individual hydrogen atoms to H2.

For a system to achieve better balance, it must change. Change is inevitable and Time Forces everything to constantly find the Balance point.

‘Improvement’ in this sense is relative to the balance of a system. While a system is unbalanced, it must find balance or it must leave existence. The system has no choice.

Comment by Andrew Brown on February 1, 2017 at 4:59pm

Simon,

Great, we agree 2H is more stable than 1H.

'Improvement' is relative to the System. The 1H system improves stability/balance by transitioning to the 2H system.

Thank you for the thoughtful comment!

Comment by Simon Paynton on February 1, 2017 at 5:10pm

Equilibrium? 

Comment

You need to be a member of Think Atheist to add comments!

Join Think Atheist

© 2021   Created by Rebel.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service