being an atheist is hard, but the truth usually is.

I've been reading a lot of nonsense recently about how "christians are persecuted, and everybody hates my religion," blah, blah, blah. Well I beg to differ on those statements greatly! Christians have it better than ANY specific group of people in the USA. They have power over 2 billion people. control governments throughout the world. my anger isn't specifically towards the christians but since i live in America they are a major thorn in my side. 

Being an Atheist, on the other hand is EXTREMELY difficult in most countries, if you're not killed first. You can become a social pariah because of you admittance of being an Atheist. You can lose a job. You can lose friends. all because you put fact and reason before a blind faith. 

I say to all people of religious faith, YOU HAVE EASIER THAN ANYONE! 

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Comment by david garcia on November 16, 2012 at 10:33pm

it is hard sometimes. I think I have to tone it down or bite my lip ...just so someone dosent hate me or think that i am evil but I think we are going about it wrong.. thats why i signed up for this help get ideas... we should be able to not only convince or win an argument but .. i dont kno........ i think we need to show them how to think logicly becuse thier faith blinds them of thinkning logicly so .. the only thing i have right now is socratic method I havent masterd it.. havent even used it once.. but i think using this method instead of arguing will allow them to talk themselvs out of me that seems like the only way

Comment by Codie L Miller on November 16, 2012 at 11:08pm

I too at times notice myself having to bite my lip as not to sound too hateful or get too heated up by an argument or whatnot. You see, people of other religions (chiristians)  have no problem letting go of their tongue and blurting out their outlandish beliefs. We atheists should too have no problem stating our stance in fact and reason. Yet most of us do....

Comment by david garcia on November 16, 2012 at 11:21pm

but thats what i am saying is we need to have a different approach then just the conventional way.. because they are not thinking conventionally…. they are blinded by faith they could say anything they want because as long as god is on their side they are right..... hah its funny

Comment by SteveInCO on November 17, 2012 at 10:32am

The OP has it right; it really grates to hear Christians whine about how hard it is to be a Christian in the United States.  Admittedly it is hard these days for a Christian to hermetically seal themselves (and their families) off from non Christian influences, and I suspect that's what their real complaint is, but that's not how they are phrasing it. 

Of course it's possible that they believe themselves commanded to put themselves in a bubble and that if they fail, it's hard following doG's word ergo it's hard to be a Christian.  But if that's how they see it.... tough shit!  They are in this world, and they can choose to mentally evade that fact, but they can't evade the consequences of evading that fact.  Which is that they find that their beliefs are "under assault" constantly because they can't be rid of outside influence.

Their belief not only requires them to put a bubble around themselves, but to try to draw others into that bubble, which is why it's OK for them to put their bullshit in the public square (either government funded or not) but not for us to do so, it's not even OK for us to try to get them to stop using the government to do it.  In fact they may be genuinely puzzled why we are trying; who is commanding us to do so?  (Let's leave aside the difference between wanting neutrality and wanting government to actively proselytize our beliefs, that's utterly lost on them.)

You see, people of other religions (chiristians)  have no problem letting go of their tongue and blurting out their outlandish beliefs.

They can do this because of a couple of factors.  It's considered mildly gauche to discuss "religion and politics" in the US; once someone blurts something out, then the worst thing one can do according to this convention is push back; a momentary slip has now erupted into a conversation, and yes it's unfair (after all they started it) but the guy with the "oddball" view (that's us, by most people's reckoning) will get the blame.

It is possible to push the envelope a little bit, though.  Most people are religious in the US, but about half do not accept young earth creationism, so you can occasionally "blurt out" something that clearly is predicated on the assumption that the Universe is old.  If a young earth creationist breaks cover and counters, *they've* turned it into a discussion, and if you stick to scientific facts and not theology you might "get away" with it.

Comment by _Robert_ on November 17, 2012 at 11:43am

Its been a while since pagan sponsored roman lions ate all those yummy christians all gone. In fact, focus groups composed totally of big cats revealed they taste alot like chicken. Unfortunately way more of them are suffering under the grips of poverty and preventable disease right now.

Comment by Arcus on November 17, 2012 at 5:43pm

I'm glad to be in a country in which when Christians claim they are persecuted, they actually have a somewhat valid point.


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