Imagine someone walks into a mall and blows themselves up.

They kill several people in the process.

Now imagine who is responsible.

Now imagine the ideology that drove that individual. Odds are they killed in the name of religion.

If muslims don’t have a sense of ownership of the acts of their terrorist cousins then all other steps and well meant words won’t make much difference. It is time for the muslim community to own up and abandon their semi-literate and intellectually dishonest excuses. Give up the sanctimonious claims of victimhood. Own this problem and fix it. Stop the denial and stop appeasing these religious terrorists.

The denial in the islamic community of the role of their ideology in these crimes has persisted in the face of overwhelming evidence. It is only in very recent years that isolated members of the muslim community have started to publicly state its opposition to the violent actions of its followers.

 Take ownership and the world will support you.

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Sort of like the American christians take ownership of the Westboro Baptists?

 It does seem to be a common trait that the more religous you are the greater your intolerance for other views and the greater the propensity for imposing your views on others.

It is no defence to claim that because someone else has done a wrong it is ok to do that wrong yourself. So i guess my response without meaning to be rude, is so what? Am I allowed to murder someone because someone else has committed murder?

Owning the problem does not mean being at fault; or being the only one that participates in a solution.

It's a mistake to assume that Isis is the "real" Islam. 

There is no "real" islam, that is the point.

It is time for the muslim community to own up and abandon their semi-literate and intellectually dishonest excuses. Give up the sanctimonious claims of victimhood. Own this problem and fix it. Stop the denial and stop appeasing these religious terrorists.

I think that's useful sentiment... a good suggestion.

I'd add a complementary suggestion, which is to encourage or spark moderate Muslims to take control of their own Islamic narrative, which first requires everyone to stop accepting and owning any narrative that's forcefully administered, by peer pressure, law, or any supposed "authority", including those who claim the only "true" definition of Islam is in what a few humans say the Koran says that Mohammad says that God says. (Well, ok, starting to sound convoluted there, but that's exactly where the problem lies.)

I.e., question authority, especially the kind that's forcefully imposed, and reject intolerance, in principle. There is more than one way to own one's own narrative, and without forcing it on anyone else.

I'm not sure what the peaceful Muslims can possibly do, in the face of machine-gun wielding crazy psychopaths.  I'm sure they are just as horrified as the rest of us. 

Ayaan Hirsi Ali says that there have always existed two kinds of Islam: "spiritual" and "military".  The military ones see the spiritual ones as pussies and traitors, who should be killed, just like they see everybody else who isn't them. 

I would start in Saudi Arabia, where the theocracy is overtly responsible for the advancement of wahhabiism. This is a human rights and religious freedom issue. I think that advocating for both freedom of and freedom from religion is our best or only hope.

People in America kill in the name of God most recently in Time Square NY he was an American Veteran in which I have learned is very into the Christian indoctrination any belief in any god leads to killing for irrational reasons to point a finger is to have 4 pointing back at you.

I'm very weary about blaming non-melevolent people for the ideology. And the broader the group of people who belong to that ideology, the more unreasonable it becomes to blame them. For example I don't think that people in Cuba and North Korea should own up to the problems of Global communism. Comunism in North Korea is nothing like communism in Cuba, an in North Korea if you speak out, you end up in a forced labour camp. This is especially the case when it comes to people who are almost entirely victims of brainwashing, forced induction into the ideology, threat of death for leaving the ideology and the endless amount of women, non-ideological-men, children and LGtB who are already victims of that ideology.

i think this applies to Islam. The faith is spread from Senegal, East Africa, all the way down to Papua New Guinea, and it covers multiple language/cultural families ranging from the Bantu, Semitic (ex. arab), Iranian (Persian), Turkic, Sino (China), Austro-Asiatic (Indonesia), Aryian (Hindi, Bengali), Dravidian (Tamils), Caucuses (Chechnian), Other Indo-European (Albania, Bosnia), Hamitic (Chad), and so on and so on.

All of these different groups (and even within them) have very different attitudes towards Islam. The Albanians and the Azeris for example find Islam takes a nominal role in everyday life while in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, North Nigeria and Brunei...every single action one makes at home and in public is discriminated through the faith. Bosnia and China are highly secular countries where religion and politics are agressively discouraged, while in Iran, the highest clerics are the overarching branch of the government itself. In some countries you can criticise Jihad openly (Turkey, Senegal, Uzbekistan) while in others you may find an angry mob sets you on fire for simply clicking "like" on a Moderate-Islam facebook page. There is no network amongst Islam, thereis no central committee, no global leader. A muslim in Mauritania and how they practice their faith have very very little in common than those in the Phillippines.

What this means is, you can hardly ask a muslim in Albania to "own" up for the lunacy of people in countries far away through the name of their ideology. They can criticise it, and fortunately that is possible in Albania without being arrested or lynched, but I see no reason why they should have to take responsibility for it.

On the other hand you can't expect someone in Bangladesh to own up to the lunacy of Jihadists and the brutal punishments in Saudi Arabia. Even discussing secularism can terminate with your body hacked into a dozen pieces in plain daylight. Many of the people who would be expected to share "responsibility" for the problems within the faith are themselves victims of the sexism, homophobia and anti-apostasy that is embedded within the culture and quite often they have no voice with which to speak.

All of this being said, hundreds of muslim organizations and many governments in Muslim countries openly critique (and some of them quite agressively) extremism, Jihad and ISIS. Several american muslim associations condemn this action and actively campaign for moderatism.

It is one thing to lie and say that there aren't serious problems within the Islamic faith (its true that many Muslims and even non-muslims paint over the systems issues involved) and pretend that those actions have absolutely nothing to do with their religion (when violence, sexism and homophobia is clearly written in their holy books and religious law). It's another thing to expect them to take responsibility for something that has nothing to do with their lives in their part of the world or worse, when they are forced to accept their place in their country/society with threat of severe punishment (and often when few people will ever hear you).

Great post, Davis, very clear perspective

Maybe. But i think the overwhleming response from the muslim community has been silence. At best the response could be described as too little too late.

On any view; if the muslim community wants to stop people killing in the name of their religion they are going to need to step up and assume some responsibility for the solution.

What do you suggest they could do?  Does anyone really have an idea of what to do? 


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