Woman Dies After Denied Abortion - Cenk on 'Morality'

Cenk starts to flip the fuck out on religion around 4:30.

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Comment by Erin on November 16, 2012 at 12:39am
Yeah, doctors make mistakes all the time and people die. But people die anyway. Still it sucks they have those rules, is it because the women there can go to Britain and get abortions easily that they haven't fought it? Or is it because there's too much fighting going on there about other junk? And what do Hindus believe about abortion anyway? On yeah, they abort the girls!
Comment by Colleen on November 16, 2012 at 12:40am

Hey Erin, I agree that there are still some questions left unanswered here.  From what I can gather, there are a few possibilities: 1) They missed the infection while waiting for the heartbeat to stop and could have treated it sooner, 2) They treated the infection while waiting for the heartbeat to stop, but only offered treatments deemed safe during pregnancy (denying a course that may have saved her life but killed the baby), 3) They caught the infection early and treated it in full force and she died anyway.  The reports don't mention any treatment of the infection until after the heartbeat stopped, but the hospital isn't commenting and the husband may not have understood everything that happened.

Comment by Diane on November 16, 2012 at 6:54am

I couldn't agree with Cenk more.  A very similar rant boils behind my patient and controlled responses to fundamentalists on the internet and in my daily life.  I truly do want to tell them to fuck off a good part of the time, but it is not always the most helpful message.  

I am not criticizing this guy.  A healthy "Fuck off!" is definitely called for in this case.  This should not have happened.  Granted, like someone pointed out, we don't know all the facts.  It is, at best, highly suspect and deeply saddening.

It is frightening what is going on in this country (USA).  I have always taken it for granted that I had the right and ability to determine whether or not any pregnancy I had would be brought to full term.  This is increasingly not the case here, and the pro-life proponents are pushing their agenda very enthusiastically.  I feel awful for women in other countries where they do not have as much freedom as we once did here, and I am afraid for America's future women.  

Comment by Unseen on November 16, 2012 at 8:37am

I can't believe an otherwise civilized country like Ireland clings to this position on abortion. Is an extremely anti-abortion positioin really supported by enough female voters in Ireland that it remains the law of the land?

Comment by Logicallunatic on November 16, 2012 at 8:49am

I think some here are missing the point. The woman asked repeatedly for an abortion after being told the baby would not not survive. Her family believe this delay resulted in the blood poisoning which killed her. She was refused on the grounds "this is a a catholic country".

In Ireland, women have a constitutional right to an abortion where there is a real and substantial threat to their lives. The problem is there is no legal clarity regarding what constitutes this substantial risk. 

And as such, doctors don't have the certainty required as to what circumstances an abortion may be carried out. Thus it is reasonable to assume that doctor's religious beliefs may play a role. 

The failings are due to political cowardice to tackle the issue, and going back further in time it's the pox-influence of Catholicism, which is gladly dying out. The whole thing makes me so angry if I see another pro-lifer waffling on about the sanctity of life I might do something I will regret. 

Comment by Sophie on November 16, 2012 at 12:39pm

I would marry this man if I could!

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 16, 2012 at 3:35pm

What the majority of people are asking for at the moment in Ireland is for the law to be properly clarified so that the medical profession can be confident that they will not be prosecuted for unlawful killing if they terminate a pregnancy where the life of the mother is at risk if they do not intervene. It is not about allowing for abortion of demand. That is for another day. I dislike the labels of pro-life or even pro-choice being used in this situation. The Catholics fundies actually had a group called the League for Decency to protest against abortion.

Whether or not an abortion would have saved Savita’s life is not the point. The point is that every year several women need a medical abortion to save their lives due to complications. They cannot legally have one in Ireland so the must travel abroad, often on their own, often as walking coffins, to have an abortion in another jurisdiction. It is shameful and disgusting. However my main emotion is anger. I will not tolerate it that so called Christians can hold sway over the formation of civil law. From our main national newspaper a while back.

Comment by Dale Headley on November 16, 2012 at 4:23pm

Ain't religion wonderful?  And ain't Catholicism clearly the wonderfullest of all? After all, it was they who brought us the glory of the Crusades, the theological purification of the Inquisition, and the ethnic cleansing of the western hemisphere.  Is it any wonder that they now bring us the extermination of insufficiently Catholic women?  I call it "Inquisition II."

Comment by Ed on November 16, 2012 at 9:28pm

It is absolutely amazing that in Ireland  the same church that no longer trusts their priests to be alone with minors unsupervised is also willing to needlessly threaten the life of a once healthy vibrant human being. Religion is truly a tool of the evil.


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