An illustration of the very real dangers of rhetorical gymnastics.
Well yes, but hmm.. let's see.. oh yeah wait a minute, this God idea in natural theology isn't projected to be part of the Universe where infinities are just ideas. So if you ignore a tiny detail like the Universe to exist in, a sort of God idea can be postulated to be infinitely old. While the Universe, ours at least, could have had a definite beginning in time, but not with time as a property. It is at least consistent in it's wrongness.
Time must then have existed before the Universe existed, thus outside our Universe otherwise, God can't be infinitely old, cannot have always existed.
Such a God then must have waited infinitely long to create W.L. Craig to explain this stuff, which again seems to me to be consistent with the Divine ability to foresee the ultimate failure of this exercise.
@Albert Bakker: LOL! Well put
@Cathy Cooper: Yes, if he keeps talking he might just eventually prove that he himself doesn't exist.
Good one! I laughed at just the right spot, too. Saw it coming.
Craig will get out of it by saying that this logic only applied to material things. Special Pleading again.
Ultimately, though, he cannot get out of the fact that there is no proof that his concept of god is any different from any other unsupported idea that human imagination has created, including all the other concepts of gods produced since man could think.
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