The Parable of the Mansion Owner (vlog 10)

In this vlog I discuss the idea that God is hiding so as to not interfere with freewill and how this is completely incompatible with the idea that one has to believe in god in order to go to heaven.

Comment by Doug Reardon on May 29, 2014 at 1:38am

Do not look for rational explanations for irrational behavior! 

Comment by Duncan King on May 29, 2014 at 8:09am

I'm aware, Doug. I am just pointing out one of the several ways to show that it is not rational behavior.

Comment by Joshua D. on May 29, 2014 at 8:50pm
The only thing powerful enough to "make" someone repent is God granting them repentance.

2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
Comment by Duncan King on May 30, 2014 at 7:29pm

Jerod, all you're elaborating is the story that is the theological basis of the worldview. Not what the worldview actually is.The analogy fits the worldview perfectly.

God is hiding to perform a test on humans and the reward  for finding him is heaven. It's a game of hide and seek that has nothing to do with morality.

Do you deny any of this?


Comment by Duncan King on May 30, 2014 at 7:31pm

The only way you could debunk the point is by connecting the belief itself to some sort of moral principle. But believing something some sort of spirit exists has nothing to do with morality.

Comment by Diane on May 30, 2014 at 8:01pm

Some  of us strive to be the best people we can be, simply because we're here and it's what we were taught.  Even for those of us who were raised in atheist U.S. households, some of Christianity's  influence can be felt because it is pervasive throughout our society. 

I remember somebody telling me I was not worthy to enter heaven unless I accepted a religion and deity about which I knew little.  I also knew that because I am female, I am somehow especially evil, and even though I was a virgin, I could never be as pure as Mary.  Christians, shame on you! I was just a little kid! 

You can tell me this nonsense now, when my executive functioning is developed and capable of using information and experience to separate truth from fiction, education from indoctrination.  Jared, I read what you wrote as, "Blah, blah, blah  Jesus, blah..." once I knew you were spouting the Christian party line.  I can think now, and I've read your Bible.  And you are right, it does not make sense to me because I don't believe it.

I contend I could allow myself to be indoctrinated and brainwashed, and then it would come to make some kind of sense to me, but it would still be hogwash. 

Your God is portrayed as a narcissistic control freak -- no thanks.  If it were to show up and rule over us, I would have no choice but to obey.  I am not going to obey a figment of ancient goat herders' imaginations.  I will be a good person because it is how I am wired, and it has its own rewards.

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