Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 6:04am

Actually - it is not against Islamic rules. They will clean it afterwards before eating it.

And it is unhealthy to watch something like that at a young age - especially connected to religious rituals. No reason to give excuses to an act like this because you watched such a thing when you were young - but at least in your situation as a youth - it wasn't tied to sacrifice, god, and religion.

Comment by Michael Klein on July 27, 2011 at 6:42am

It is. Islamic rules say ONE clean cut. He es basically sawing the head off just to hit the artery.

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on July 27, 2011 at 6:52am

Up until the 20th century, the vast majority of children saw animals being slaughtered.  There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about that.  Even in the 20th century there were plenty of us who watched dinner being slaughtered and just accepted the reality of death. The indoctrination in a couple videos is a bit twisted, but calling any of this torture just makes the entire post into some sort of satire.

Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 7:38am

IT is torture, It is child abuse. I don't care what children used to see - just because kids were fucked up in the head before doesn't mean they should be fucked up today. It is systematic indoctrination/child abuse.

And Michael - maybe Shiites differ from Sunnis. With Shiites - this doesn't violate Islamic teachings.

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on July 27, 2011 at 7:56am

Do you have any evidence that 'kids were fucked up in the head before'?  Or is that just your opinion again?  I agree that it is systematic indoctrination, and a rather twisted one, but it doesn't begin to fall within the realm of torture.  If this is what you think it means to be 'tortured' then I understand why you don't have a problem with the idea of the U.S. torturing it's prisoners.  This isn't what the rest of the world views as torture, however.

Comment by Michael Klein on July 27, 2011 at 2:14pm

IT is torture, It is child abuse. I don't care what children used to see - just because kids were fucked up in the head before doesn't mean they should be fucked up today. It is systematic indoctrination/child abuse.

We had chickens, sheeps and bunnies... Just because you are not used to this kind of shit doesn't make it fucked up.

 

Chickens are traditionally beheaded with an axe and their bodies thrown aside because their headless body runs around spewing blood from their neck. They fall over after 30-60 seconds after which the rest of their blood leaks from their neck. Then they are put into hot water because this relaxes the feathers so it's easier to remove them. then their belly is slit open to remove their intestines. everything except their bowel is kept for eating. Their feet are used to make soup.

 

Bunnies are killed with a metal stick which you smack on their head. The removal of the skin is the hardest job. They, belly slit open etc(we didn't keep anything from that). Tastes like chicken and is traditionally served with the head(to distinguish it from a cooked cat).

 

Sheep are killed with a stungun...before being slit open and there is much blood. Their reproductive tract also tends to turn inside out when giving birth and someone has to push it back in while there are often maggots eating the sheep alive under their wool.

 

Our dog was shot before i was old enough because he started to bite. Kittens were killed bunny style while i was on vacation. I witnessed the birth of a cow which was named after me...this was 2 years after i witnessed the death of one. I ate fish which i caught and prepared myself. I and my father took out a rabbit hole by pouring gasoline in the holes and letting them burn to death.

 

Welcome to formerly richest country in the world...and i'm only 26! THIS. IS. FUCKING. NOTHING! It should actually be part of standard education...

 

Also: pretending to eat(formerly eating) a sheep as part of easter is standard catholic canon. Nowadays the sheep is a cake or icecream though. Compared to other indoctrination: THIS. IS. FUCKING. NOTHING!

Comment by Sassan K. on July 27, 2011 at 4:19pm

The worst/part torture is indoctrination and sacrifice for a prophet or god - as in this case. And I stand by my assessment, it is torture/child abuse whatever you want to call it. Let the kid grow up healthy and normal.

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on July 27, 2011 at 5:13pm

You have absolutely no clue what the word torture means.  Even in your dialog in one of the other videos you offered it is clear you have severely handicapped English language skills.  It's no wonder that at 27 years old you haven't finished going to school yet.  You haven't even paused to realize you are now in agreement with Bill O'Reilly on another thread.  You have become an embarrassment to the Atheist community.

Comment by Chris G on July 27, 2011 at 10:32pm

Hi Sassan,

I was expecting to see something much worse (probably because of the beheading tag). From what I've read about slaughtering that was done more humanly than many slaughter houses.  I have never been to a slaughter and don't intend to go to one. When I wrote my comment I was thinking that children growing up of farms and ranches across the world see their food slaughtered and assist preparing and cooking it. Most children in urban and suburban areas probably don't even know how carrots, milk, or cheese are cultivated. I saw it as a slaughter not as a sacrifice, or religious festival. If I was there I probably would have seen it more like you describe. On a side note I didn't notice the other blood letting photos in your thread until now.

 

What were you doing in Iran/Ashura?

 

Take Care,

Chris

 

 

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