Libertarians would stand by and watch someone die rather than help someone caught in a bad spot. I suppose if someone gets a flat tire and they need a jack you'd laugh and drive off?

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Comment by Brady on September 16, 2011 at 8:50pm

Anyone who pays taxes pays into the healthcare system.

Great, raise taxes as high is you want. When do you think enough is enough? 50% or would you like to have some system where anything over ex. $250,000 goes to government. How about something generic like "anything in excess" and let the government make that decision on a case by case basis?

What way of life is being heralded as right?

Currently, a general social welfare system where people's needs are given to them regardless of level of responsibility.

I've talked to a few Americans who pay for the coverage they can afford, but when they describe their coverage, it seems like a joke.

All insurance companies are in the business of gambling. You are risking that you get lots of young people to pay while you give the least amount of coverage to the ones that use it and pocket the rest as profit. Goes the same for car, home, life, electronics, etc.

You get a bacterial infection, requiring a doctor's visit, some tests, and some prescription antibiotics.

Pay a co-pay of $20 for the visit and co-pay for the drugs that depended on brand of drug, generic versus name brand. Range was $20-$40.

You break one of your bones, receive medical treatment and require a limited stay in the hospital.

This never happened but I was on the hook for the first $2,000 then after that they covered the rest. So, they said they would. But again. If they can find away not to pay. They will.

You are diagnosed with prostate cancer (for which the United States has an excellent five-year survival rate on treatment). 

Health care is the least of my worries. However, again, I cover up to the first $2000 and they pick up the tab. However, that does change based on emergency visits which can add to my debt. If I have any type of terminal cancer. I am ok with dying. Just as long as I can get some pain pills to ease my slow death, great. At this point, I am no longer a productive member to society. Life sucks and I am a burden on everyone.

Comment by Gaytor on September 16, 2011 at 9:07pm

We wouldn't have to raise taxes more than we currently pay for these services as a society. Most of us would see a savings. 


Currently we pay 26% of GDP in taxes if we include state taxes. We pay 16.7% of GDP in health care. About 42.7% is what we pay for these services. If we were to shape our program similar to any other system in the world (everyone pays at least 5% of GDP less than us) we would see a savings as a country. Compared to other countries, we should be looking for 36 to 38% in taxes. May sound like a lot, but this is less than we are currently paying for the same services. 

Comment by Brady on September 16, 2011 at 9:29pm
Too bad we have to waste our money on this military industrial complex and wasting money on failing companies and banks. Oddly, Ron Paul is the only person really considering fixing our economic problems by ending the wars.
Comment by Unseen on September 16, 2011 at 10:24pm

The word "gambling" has been mentioned. People who buy insurance are betting they will need it. The insurance companies, in order to make a profit, have to bet that they can rig the system so that the house wins. People who buy insurance are betting that their claims will be paid and will not be so high that the insurance company will try to get out of paying them. They are also betting that their insurance will always be there. In other words, they are sure they will always have a job and/or the income required to keep insurance. I guess they are betting that if the day comes they don't have insurance they won't need it. Which is flat out stupid.

Comment by Anonymous on September 17, 2011 at 4:20pm

My favorite health plan to date has covered 100% of all medical expenses occurred, including dental, chiropractics, alternative medicines and preventive care.  The plan provider was instantly accessible, very agreeable, and treated me with respect, courtesy, and like a human being. Actually, I could honestly say that I was treated the way I expected to be treated every time a condition arose.  Not only that, the plan I had had no deductible and had a customized premium that fit exactly what I could and wanted to afford. No premium due dates and if my medical costs didn't exceed my premium I was always left with the difference. 0% bureaucratic waste and under the plan I was able to take advantage of the countless exercise and nutritional resources at no additional monetary cost. Through this program I was able to go from 24% body fat to 11% (and declining) and feel healthier than I have in the last 10 years.


What I am starting to realize that this plan is actually a universal health care plan in the sense that it is available to anyone in or outside the USA. The health care plan I used is a savings account and personal responsibility.


Health insurance or universal health care does not mean good health. And purporting such adds to the real problem while just hopefully only relieving the systems.  The sooner the government can stop assuming people's individual responsibility for themselves, the sooner we will see the real change we have been hoping for but never see. The federal government is no magic bullet, but for some reason we allow them to use real bullets in foreign sovereign territories on a daily basis without objective reason. They are super wasteful, super slow, non-inventive, have a terrible track record, are awful examples to its citizens in the sense that they spend more than they receive, give out trillions to businesses that also don't take personal responsibility and are heading quickly to bankruptcy.  They are being a hindrance to economic growth, they are constantly exchanging our liberties for their comfort and are creating powerful enemies around the globe.


What entity do you really want to assume our individual health care responsibility? Please don't tell me its the federal government. Health Insurance does not equal good health. I'm sorry but people still die and still get sick with or without health insurance. And in too many instances when people equate health insurance as magically having good health, they forgo their personal responsibility for making good healthy lifestyle choices.

Comment by Arcus on September 17, 2011 at 4:30pm

"And in too many instances when people equate health insurance as magically having good health, they forgo their personal responsibility for making good healthy lifestyle choices."

By the extension of that logic, people in countries with universal health care systems should have lower average health.. which is no the case. One proxy of public health could be life expectancy. See any outliers below?


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