Libertarians would stand by and watch someone die rather than help someone caught in a bad spot. I suppose if someone gets a flat tire and they need a jack you'd laugh and drive off?

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Comment by james d on September 13, 2011 at 10:00am

i think you missed the point. he is saying that the government should NOT be required to provide a level of protection the individual is unwilling to for himself. universal health care is a great idea, but it is destroying the nations that have it like mine! i rarely get sick let alone go to the hospital, yet i must pay to take care of ALL of the drug addicts, overweight people, smokers and other people who abuse themselves and rely on free health care to take care of them! if the medical system were preventative rather than reactive, our societies would be a lot healthier. universal was implemented when lifestyles were a lot healthier. today we have obese people destroying themselves and others like smokers and drug addicts and alcoholics abusing the system and causing unimaginable stress on the system and my pocket book.


that is what mr. paul is referring to, give people real choices and make them responsible for their own lives.

Comment by Becca on September 13, 2011 at 11:01am

It's that I got mine fuck you attitude again. 


Comment by Gaytor on September 13, 2011 at 11:12am

James, thanks for the comment. The largess of my complaint is to the cheering of people in the back to the "Let him die?" proposition. But let's talk about systems of care that work. In the US we pay 16.7% of GDP for Healthcare. You guys spend 10%. We have about 90% coverage and I, for example, have a $4,000 deductible. The total cost of my care is 19k a year before I get care. Your system doesn't cost that much. Socialized medicine can be done any number of ways. Germany has had the Bismarck system for more than 100 years. It delivers better care and costs about what your system costs. Effectively a $700 billion dollar savings and covers that 10% of our population that dies without it. Did you know that 45,000 Americans die a year due to a lack of care? People shouldn't die as a result of poor planning while we stand around watching. I find that to be a calloused society. 

Comment by Morgan Matthew on September 13, 2011 at 12:29pm

People shouldn't die as a result of poor planning while we stand around watching. I find that to be a calloused society.


+1 Gaytor +1

Comment by Robert Karp on September 13, 2011 at 12:39pm

This rhetoric from the right pisses me off. The fuck you attitude from the audience is appauling. You know for a FACT that if one of those people got cancer and goes bankrupt from health care costs, they would be singing a different song. Ron Paul can say that BS because he has free health care for life! James I get that your system is not perfect but no one goes bancrupt from health care costs and no one is uninsured. Whether its a system like your or ours, there will be people who abuse it and live off others.

Comment by james d on September 13, 2011 at 1:15pm

yea, i remember that reply, but it didn't shock me so i probably forgot about it! that is what scares us up here about what is happening to you down there! if the fundies take over, your civil war may start again...

Comment by Brady on September 13, 2011 at 8:39pm

I have to agree with Paul on this one. The question is very biased from the beginning. I happen to agree that family, friends, churches, organizations, and other would help out. Plus, the price would likely lower if they are required to pay. It's really putting a burden on the government to take on these costs. When government pays the bills, the costs sky rocket! I was in the military and had hammers that cost $70 =\ WTF?!

The problem is not "Who will pay these exaggerated costs" but why are these doctors billing for procedures that are outrageously priced?

Imagine if the doctors set the prices for oil, do you really think it would be as low as it is? While your still thinking with that thinking cap, what happens to the price of gas at the pump when anything over your acceptable budget is billed directly to the government? Do you really expect the prices to stay at there present rate?

When the government pays the bills you get corporations that will exaggerate their costs because the government is obligated to pay. When Lockhead Martin gets a contract to provide parts for military equipment, they set the prices. As stated before, their not fairly priced.

Ok, so the government starts paying corporations for medical services for all citizens. Does that mean the prices stay the same? Does that mean they will not bankrupt the country?

As the saying goes, "The path to hell is paved with good intentions"

Comment by Unseen on September 13, 2011 at 10:36pm

We're watching the Republicans self-destruct. Perry should have known the Social Security is a radioactive topic and Ron Paul just can't help saying things that shock with an expression on his face that a painter could use to depict Torquemada. Like someone said, it's hard to imagine, but the Republicans may just be handing a second term to a President with a sub-35% approval rating.

Comment by Violet Chartreuse on September 13, 2011 at 10:46pm
People are not all born with the same health issues, the same IQ or the same financial status. You can "require" people to plan for and save for their own medical care, but there is absolutely no fairness about that. Hundreds of years ago we decided as a community that we were not going to let each others houses burn to the ground and created the fire department to take profit outt of the equation. Health should be just the same.
Comment by Gaytor on September 13, 2011 at 11:33pm

Brady, the overarching problem with your premise is that the countries that have health care paid for by governments is less expensive than ours. We have the highest healthcare costs in the world and not the best healthcare to show for it. Capitalism isn't working here and people are dying because of it. You are espousing a philosophy that can be tested against the real world, and your philosophy doesn't hold true. The solution is quite simple: Remove profit as the motive. The Bismarck System covers everyone. Everyone pays, no one makes a profit. You are left with choice. Better choice than we have today with PPN and HMO's. Better choices in insurance carriers as Japan has 3000 different carriers. We don't have 3000 different insurance providers here in the US that are on the open markets. 

While you make Libertarian or Capitalist arguments like you have on gasoline, I'd like to ask where have we ever seen a Libertarian country succeed? Where has pure capitalism not failed us due to greed? There is a balance to everything in this world. Where capitalism cannot solve problems (controlling costs in Health Care) Market Socialism can be the answer. We've done it over and over through out history. Education, fire departments, roads, medical research, etc. 45,000 Americans a year are dying due to this problem and it's time to stop talking about holding a philosophy and look at what works around the world. Ron Paul is wrong on this issue and so were his followers chanting for the death of a fellow American. 


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