Quick look at the genealogy claims of the gospels and an argument that the theological claims that Jesus is the Jewish messiah and the son of God are actually mutually exclusive groups.

Comment by Jon Heim on September 21, 2010 at 6:30pm
um...Jewish people do NOT consider Jesus the messiah. if they did, they would have been catholic.
Comment by Jon Heim on September 21, 2010 at 8:42pm
the ones before Christ. yes, they were Jewish. messianic Jews, well, that's in the name. I was just referring to the Jews...after the first Jews, who didnt believe that Jesus was the messiah. lol are you following me still?
Comment by Jon Heim on September 21, 2010 at 8:42pm
oh and key words are " a few who do". thanks james
Comment by Michael Jon Axl on September 21, 2010 at 9:30pm
In the Jewish bible it doesn't allude to there being a messiah in the Old testaments like it does in the Christian Bible. The Council of Nicea is thought to have edited the script to make it sound like it was gods plan all along to use a vessel like Jesus. There isn't any mention of Jesus other then him being a instigator who tried to change their religion. When confronted with Jesus the Jewish nation usually has a good story of him trying to use outside influences and teachings. He fell short when he called himself the son of God. But this story can be taken from it's original place Greek Mythology. Long before the Jewish community even knew how to write the Greeks had stories of Gods and sons of Gods. The most widely known story in the world is of Hercules. The son of Zeus the ultimate demigod. No religion is complete without showing man can be just like a God by having a God have a son. But not only a son but a human son. The Islamic religion is no different.

I find it more interesting that all religions claim their god came down from the heavens, translated into our language today space. They then claim that their god would walk with them and teach them about the world and how to live. Now if you look at the miracles that they performed most could be explained with modern science. Many flew around the world in spacecrafts or would disappear in front of them in a beam of light. Some religions claim that each time a god would appear he would look different. Could this be people from another galaxy taking pity on us or maybe ancient ancestors that left us here. Unfortunately without proof much like religions those theories hold no water. But it does lead some of us to wonder why miracles that are performed in bibles are always so small in stature compared to what a all mighty god could do.

Think About it
Comment by Michael Jon Axl on September 22, 2010 at 10:51am
@James i have been to those websites and read one of the books. Good read indeed.
Comment by Kenneth Montville D.D. on September 22, 2010 at 2:05pm
@Michael and Jon, the idea of a messiah comes directly out of Judaism. Jesus' ministry, and the original churches would have been comprised almost exclusively of Jews. Indeed for the authors of the synoptic gospels (particularly Matthew), Christianity was simply the proper way to practice Judaism. There was in the first century, and still is to some extent, a heavy Judaic emphasis on a Davidian messiah come to usher in a new kingdom. While the Christian concept of a suffering messiah which was fabricated after the crucifixion was fairly alien to many first century Jews, the overarching concept of a messiah was not.
Comment by Michael Jon Axl on September 22, 2010 at 3:08pm
the idea of a messiah comes directly out of Judaism

Maybe for just Christian and Judaism. But the idea of a messiah or the one to save us all comes from other civilizations long before Jews even knew about there own God. Most religions based in this day and age ripped off stories from the pagan or mythological civilizations that ruled the lands before them. All religions are quit similar in nature because all are built on a basic building block. Where this building block comes from is the true mystery. I believe humans just do not posses the insight to have created religion. Something had to have happened in the past that made them worship something.
Comment by Michael Jon Axl on September 22, 2010 at 3:12pm
You ever find it odd that all religions are based on events that happened hundreds to thousands of years ago. It took Christianity a long time to catch on and had to be forced on many people before it stuck. The same with Judaism, you can see in the bible that Jews constantly did the exact opposite of what god instructed. Not once but ever single time. If you had been alive for the suppose miracles why would you need to question Gods plan so much.
Comment by Kenneth Montville D.D. on September 22, 2010 at 10:42pm
@Michael - "ever find it odd that all religions are based on events that happened hundreds to thousands of years ago"

Not totally true. Christianity caught on within a century of the supposed happenings it is based around. Islam spread within the lifetime of its own originator. To say that they are all based on events in the long since past is anachronistic.

Also, why do you believe humans "do not posses the insight to have created religion?" I think it is a perfectly normal thing. The human mind seeks ways to explain that which cannot be easily explained. We seek patterns and orders. Seeing as the standard model, evolutionary biology, theories concerning cosmo-genesis, higher mathematics, ad nauseum were not available to bronze age people it is not a far jump logically to think that superstition easily settled in its place.


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