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Show atheists they've lied, cheated, stolen, by asking them if they've done these things, then when they say, 'yes' say, that makes a sinner and worthy of hell, then you can share Jesus/Yeshua with them as their Savior and way of forgiveness and eternal
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Comment by Mr Good Without God on December 20, 2010 at 1:17pm

This video was frustrating and amusing in its stupidity. I thought I would share and see what you all thought.

Comment by Jonel Burge on December 20, 2010 at 1:56pm

Again, they are arguing that it's more important to be christian than it is to be good.

And that's one of my favorite arguments to point out, because they always assume that being "close to god" means you're a good person. I love pulling out the stories of people who received decrees from god, who are close to god, and were told BY GOD to  cut off their child's hands or silt the throat of their brother's ex-wife. Bad things, but they were REAALLY good christians, so that's all that matters, so those crazy psychopathic murderers? going to heaven. I saw christians lie, steal, have improper sexual relations, molest others, and outright bully people horribly but it's OH-KIZZAY because they go to church on sundays/have accepted jesus. They are opening a dangerous loophole for people who are going to do anything in the name of an unprovable deity. <facepalm>

Also, at the end,  Is that supposed to be a "hot, updated jesus"? He looks like a douchebag.

Also, this is assuming there's an afterlife. If there's not, then all their whining is for nothing. Someone get on proving that there is no afterlife, PLEASE.

 

I have lied, but only to avoid unfair persecution.

I have never stolen.

And do define "lusted", christians. So often I'm seeing it defined as any sexual wish/want/need whatsoever, finding someone attractive at all=lusting, thinking someone is cute=lusting! if you ask certain people, so if such an archaic word could be you know, updated a wee bit, that would be helpful so I can tear that reasoning down as well.

Comment by Jtrottier on December 21, 2010 at 4:09am

It's false to say that being a Christan makes you good. As it is false to say being an atheist makes you amoral. It's just bad logic.

Christians like this argument because they believe, belief in Jesus makes them righteous. If I don't believe that god exists do you think I am going to care what god thinks about my morality? NO. I will see it as whomever is judging me, based on reasoning, logical or otherwise, is the one judging me.

Comment by Jake W. Andrews on December 23, 2010 at 1:18am

The "Have you ever..." test is nothing but an equivocation of word usage. The word liar is ambiguous in this context since there is no context. If I lied to save someone's life from a potential murderer is considered bad? To lie to my lover about her awful dress and saying "That dress makes you sexy" is polite (somewhat crass) and makes both of your lives easier to deal with. Imagine meeting someone who doesn't lie, and tells you the truth about everything, they would not have very many friends after every social interaction resulting in crude comments regarding someone. We understand our faults, and at times may be delusional to them, but for someone to be honest about it in a social gathering just makes others feel self conscientious and depressed.

 

Have I ever stole something: This fails to prove how someone is bad or not "good enough" based on stealing something. Stealing in order to feed your family, or stealing to feed the poor (Robin Hood Syndrome) would be on the brink of doing something good, and directly contradicts the "stealing is bad". Besides have you ever watched baseball? if stealing were bad, then games would be that much less exciting.

 

Lust: Yes the "Be guilty because wanted something" argument. Well lust has several definitions, including sexual desire, but also ardent enthusiasm, and that means anyone who has a passion for anything, even life, would be considered lustful. This also includes the Christians who have a desire or a zeal for god and to get into heaven, oh oops I guess that seals your eternal fate; onto the real matter, sexual lust. God said to be fruitful and reproduce in the book of genesis, so in order to find a mate, you have to have some attraction/desire for them, otherwise god's people would not burgeon and carry that beautiful message of enslavement to every person right?

 

So the real argument is, if these things are quite obligatory in our human nature, and we have to keep doing them in order to get along with each other (In a sense), then the christian answer would be to repent to god as you do those things, to be forgiven. This sentiment practically means nothing as you are going to commit those horrible sins anyways, you might as well repent. Well wouldn't they be lying, or dishonest to deceive their god, since he is an omniscient being, therefore he should know whether or not they are truthful about their repenting? AND if their goal is to get into heaven and believe because they dont want the alternative, also just as deceptive and in a way lying? So I think I should be asking them, what is it to be truthful in your repentance? and, if god is omniscient and can 'sniff' out phonies (since that is a characteristic in knowing everything) then would he still accept phony repentance as a free pass into heaven.

 

inevitably, christians shoot themselves in the foot but resorting to this line of argument, since the terms are ambiguous and leave lots of room for interpretation (including their own responses to the questions posed), and ultimately leading a sinless life full of praising god is not a free pass either. So really being a 'Child of God' would be just as arbitrary of a heaven seeking characteristic as how well you play 2nd base or playing chess well enough, as his happens to be a problem when you start assigning realistic traits to conceptual, or non-physical, or non-provable supernatural beings.

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