"How to Be a Real Man" clip from Acquire The Fire TV show

If any of you have watched Mind over Mania (MOM) which was just shared by Robert Karp on Think Atheist (here is the link http://www.thinkatheist.com/video/mom ) you will now be familiar with Acquire the Fire. Here is a very disturbingly funny video by Acquire the Fire's TV series called the "Josiah Project" from 1999. I promise you this is not a troll this is for real.

Comment by John Kelly on November 23, 2011 at 2:11am

Oh well that he did then...  Forgive the error on my part.  I forgot about that part.   Though Christians don't see the death of people in the OT as bad, because they considered things to be harsher under the OT covenant. 

Using YHWH's position on Nineveh as a cross-reference can serve to make this and other passages like it confusing for Christians.

Comment by Simon Paynton on November 23, 2011 at 2:15pm

I think it's a good idea to try and educate everyone who wants to know, what a "real man" should be.  Especially young people of both sexes. 

Comment by kris feenstra on November 23, 2011 at 3:19pm

@ John Kelly: Not to worry; you're still at least a step ahead of me overall.  As someone who's never been a Christian, a lot of the internal logic and reconciliation makes no sense to me whatsoever.  I can piece some of it together mentally, but my more visceral reaction is a giant 'wtf?'  Your insight into ATF is appreciated from my end.

 

@ Simon: What is a "real man" and why should a person want to be one?  Is it actually a useful concept?

Comment by Simon Paynton on November 24, 2011 at 4:03am

@ Kris:  "Real man" is definitely a useful concept.  It's in no way the same as a "macho man".  A man can be the biggest pansy in the world, and still be a real man.  A big tough man is not necessarily a real man. 

A man, who is not a real man, is weak and therefore dangerous.  He may have ego problems; he may be selfish, arrogant, violent, destructive, jealous, cruel, abusive, evasive, defensive, dishonest, deceptive; he may fail to love.  He may be a Judas.  He may take out his problems on others.  etc. 

A real man is a good man, a strong man, a kind man and a brave man.  He knows how to love.  He is not cruel.  He takes care of those weaker than himself.  He is not afraid to get hurt, if necessary, defending what's important to him.  He has integrity.  He tries to do the right thing no matter what.  He doesn't make excuses.  He doesn't visit his problems onto other people.  He stands by his friends.  etc.

Comment by John Kelly on November 24, 2011 at 1:45pm

Yeah, real is obviously an idiom for "ideal"  Different people have different ideas of what ideal means.  The concept is not expressly religious.  It is however, becoming an out of date idiom, and Christians are known for being behind the times in everything, including music.  But this clip is from over a decade ago.

Comment by kris feenstra on November 24, 2011 at 1:48pm

Thank you for providing such a clear response to my question.  I've gone through a similar set of definitions in my life, but I guess where the term lost meaning for me, is in the realization that everything I expected of a 'real man', I also expected of a 'real woman' (or any other gender identity).  I just don't see the point in the delineation anymore.  

Comment by John Kelly on November 24, 2011 at 2:06pm

I think the value can be found in helping young people mature into men and women.   The problem is that now there is more than just men and women, so there really needs to be something that accounts for those who reject gender identity, but I think for young people it is tied into developing into what you are going to be.

Comment by Simon Paynton on November 25, 2011 at 7:54am

@ Kris:  absolutely - these qualities all apply to women as well.  I just think that men and women express them in slightly different ways.  In writing that list, I had some women in mind as well as men. 

@ John:  these qualities would equally apply to "third gender" people too. 

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