Is America really the home of the brave? Or is it the home of cowardly little bitches who can't get over something that happened a decade ago? Anyone who has...

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Comment by Jacob LeMaster on September 12, 2011 at 8:31pm

Gerald Martinez Quite a bit of what you said there was said to me when I mentioned I was happy to have a M.A.S.H. group in Fort Campbell and that the comment there are no atheists in foxholes was complete bullshit..


@ Sassan can you have a non emotional "America Fuck Yeah!" response? The time has come to an end for us to think locally and we need to think globally and in the sense of global reformation patriotism becomes an archaic meaningless term.. As well if you think we are better off now than we were 10 years ago you are a daffy bastard sorry.. Please pull the statue of liberty out of your ass and get a clue..

Comment by Kim on September 12, 2011 at 9:15pm

@ Sassan  Just because I am trying to make a point that "they" are "we" doesn't mean that I am "anti-west" or "anti-democracy".  Hell, I'm not even "anti-war" or "anti-9/11 memorial".  I do not see the 9/11 attacks as an attack just on Americans.  I do not see the memorial as a horrible thing.  However, I do hear many people talk about Muslims as if they are all terrorists.  In fact, I overheard a co-worker referring to them as having "diapers on their heads because their heads are full of shit".  How stupid, especially considering how he followed that up with "the man who died the worst death ever was the only person who didn't deserve it".   This is the undereducated, NATIONALISTIC view many Americans share.  I love my country and the values that it ONCE stood for:  life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property, whatever).  I do not, however, love these new values that America has grown to uphold:  God, country, and capitalism.  I look at the people we're over there fighting.  Who is over there dying?  Hmmmm?  I'll give you a hint:  "When the rich wage war, it's the poor that die."  Eighty percent are civilians.  Can you justify killing 8 innocent people just to capture 2 "bad guys"?  But then again, I am not trying to condone or condemn this war or any other war.  I'm saying this is how ALL wars are.  So, if you go to war, you had better be sure it's for the good of mankind because 80% of the casualties are sure to be INNOCENT PEOPLE. 


@ Gerald  I'm not saying we should forget.  We shouldn't.  We should support our troops and appreciate our freedom.  But we must put it all into perspective lest we over here forget that those people across the sea are HUMAN BEINGS.  We here tend to think of them as non-person entities or insurgents because we're not there to see their lives and interactions, as I'm sure they tend to forget we are human as well.  I love American soldiers.  I don't see American soldiers as just men with guns.


@ Bryan  What does Saudi Arabia have to do with the 9/11 memorial, which I said nothing negative about to beginning with?  That's almost like me saying that women wearing big, expensive diamonds need to acknowledge the bloodshed that occurs during the mining of diamonds in some parts of the world, then you replying with, "You need to go live in Angola."  WTF?

Comment by kris feenstra on September 12, 2011 at 10:33pm

Thanks for the brutal straw man.  I will cherish it always.

Comment by Jacob LeMaster on September 12, 2011 at 11:01pm

@ Gerald You are redefining patriotism and In your definition I can just as easily claim patriotism as a social tool used to control a massive amount of people who want to fit in or belong.. One of the reasons people don't leave their religion is because it is a "sense of belonging kind of thing".. post globalization patriotism dies... Patriotism is one egotistical ideology I'm glad I do not support...

Comment by Jacob LeMaster on September 12, 2011 at 11:57pm

Your patriotism sounds almost exactly like Cultural Zionism by your personal definition.

Comment by The Doctor on September 13, 2011 at 12:15am

Instead of "patriotism" here, let's call it by it's colloquial name "nationalism" (the notion one's country is superior to another) now in this context I can say that the Idea is first of all dangeous, and second a very poor way of thinking of one's fellow man.

Nationalism is a good way to gather the support, however war demonizes the 'enemy' whilst the aggressor is then perceived as heroic. The old addege of "History is always written by the victor" wrings true.

I support the military I have friends in the military, I recognise the need for a military, where I disagree is the dangerous notions of singling out a group because a few members perpetrated an attack that says nothing on the group as a whole.


Comment by Stephanie on September 13, 2011 at 2:13am

This is soo awesome! I shared it on facebook :)


Comment by Jacob LeMaster on September 13, 2011 at 2:19am

Sorry but genetic fallacy much? 


and how is it a non sequitur? It does mirror Cultural Zionism quite a bit taking into consideration that its definition is.. valuing Jewish culture and history, including language and historical roots

seems almost dead on to me..


When you say this.. 

Patriotism is a set of rules, customs, culture, traditions, and history that unite a people.


Maybe you would care to rephrase that?


Comment by The Doctor on September 13, 2011 at 2:24am

Gerald, you can be proud of youre country, but also understand the attrocities it may have caused.

America would not be where it is today without literally taking territory by force. Justification, is added after the fact, for instance the stae I live in wouldn't be apart of the U.S. if it weren't for the mexican cession, (basiclly we demanded it in the surrender of mexico) now how is that justifieble?

Another fellow had a similar idea, Adolf hitler, Germany needed to be great and DESERVED to be great and millions followed, idealism and natiolalism is antiquated, There really is no "great country" they are all flaued, that is not to say some do not have a better approach but to assume superiority bages the question why assume you are? And how do you know?


Comment by Jacob LeMaster on September 13, 2011 at 2:27am

Do not misunderstand.. I do not renounce patriotism because I hate american.. I renounce patriotism because I think the human race should be better than that. I am simply leading by example. We are not playing a giant game of king of the hill here..


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