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Thanks Kris - it covers all the "buzz words" used in the subject and correctly explains them. e.g. mutations.
This is a good video to visualize the process.
That (the original posted video) is a good way to put you and a (reasonably intellegent) creationist on the same ground as to what it is you are actually arguing over.
Many of the comments creationists make reflect a misunderstanding of what evolution is, and I have to tell them "if evolution actually said that dogs could give birth to kittens [a relatively far out example that I have seen] I would have to agree with you that such a theory is absurd. But that's not what it says!" If your interlocutor has any honesty or curiosity, you now have an opportunity to correct their misconceptions as to what it says. Then, at least, there's a chance that you will be arguing about the same topic.
Arghhhhh see what you made me do? After watching that great vid, I saw others appear in the final panel, and I clicked and viewed and clicked and viewed and I've spent over an hour here instead of doing... other stuff. What fun!
EXCELLENT!!! This is one of the best brief explanations of evolution I've ever seen. While it only covers the broadest outlines of the theory, it does cover everything that is necessary for the non-scientist to understand.
Okay, I bit and watched the vid. I see some logic as in dog breeding, but it stops there.
Yes, the earth and it's inhabitants evolve to some degree based upon changes in the earth, or changes from what we have ingested (poisons, HFCS, etc). Is that why women's lips are getting bigger and fuller???
to call that evolution is a misnomer. It is more like adjusting to the environment. But if people feel better calling it evolution, then to each his own. no harm, no foul.
If science is right, and we evolved from monkeys and apes, then why are there still some monkeys and apes that didn't evolve??
Science is being used to prove that God doesn't exist by saying that we evolved from monkeys and apes and we are stupid enough to not only fall for it, but not even question it???
Yet even if we are to believe it has something to do with selective breeding (like dogs to get a certain trait), then WHAT was bred with monkeys and apes to get humans??
Scientific THEORIES cannot be based on facts. Why? Because there is no documented ancient proof (actual physical written evidence of breeding programs) of the selective breeding that is presumed to have taken place. It is all hype. Of course, if there IS documented proof from a billion years ago, please, by all means show me!! I truly would welcome studying it.
Why are we so ready to jump on the evolution bandwagon without actual empirical proof?
Truly, who on this earth has that experience??? Everyone we know who has presented the so-called "facts" did not exist in the time they allegedly say these things took place.
We even blindly trust NASA to tell us things about space. Why? We blindly accept our calendar system of 365 and 1/4 days. WHY????
Truly, who can prove anything about anything??
Truly, who can prove anything about anything?
If you are saying a statement like this, then maybe the best thing for you to do is simply live a care-free life. That statement means that no matter what we do, we will always fail and never understand anything and should just stop trying. Why even continue trying to continue to worry when you believe even yourself has no knowledge of what you are talking about?
After reading what you just wrote, you make all sorts of assumptions without seeming to have much of knowledge about these scientific topics. NASA is the reason for why we are able to communicate via the internet and science is not trying to disprove any gods. Science, by it's proper definition, ignores any regards of the supernatural and only focuses on the natural world. Scientific theories aren't the same thing as theories. Theories in science are actually accepted because there are many things observed that indicate a particular phenomena to be true. You can come up with any idea that contradicts a scientific theory, but in order to be valid, it must be tested and observed in the natural world. Anything that doesn't meet those requirements are dismissed until either it can be tested. Science isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we got in explaining the natural world.
Are you possibly proposing that we should stop science because it is offensive? Should we stop because it hinders people from establishing absurd claims that are not supported by fact?
I really don't know what to think about you, but you seem to just be desperate at this point. We have many ways of figuring stuff from the past. We don't always need documented evidence from an ancient point in time to infer what may have occurred during that time.
If the word "theory" is different in the scientific community as opposed to the dictionary definition, then why use it all? If a scientific theory is a proven thing, then why not just call it a fact?
and WOW, you so totally missed my point.
Aren't you the one who believes in abortion? Right? Yet you are man if what your profile says is correct. Interesting.
If the word "theory" is different in the scientific community as opposed to the dictionary definition, then why use it all?
There are words in English that have different meaning and contexts when applied to different situations.
Example: "I can't bear the idea of being attacked by a bear." Some words just have different meanings even though they look exactly the same, but you must pay attention to the context.
If a scientific theory is a proven thing, then why not just call it a fact?
I must apologize. I have a bias where I tend to think that scientific theories conclude are true because I THINK the evidence is satisfactory. You should not take what I THINK and apply it to scientific theories. Science itself is objective but it must make assumption based off of the evidence present in the natural world through experimentation and observation. Science just doesn't put a stamp on a theory it has and says "YEAH! WE FOUND THE ONE AND TRUE ANSWER!". Science humbly puts it as a theory because we are constantly learning and we may find some other scientific evidence that can contradict the current theory. Or we simply find a separate theory that contributes to the same phenomena through different processes which will mean that there are more than one explanation for a phenomena. Science doesn't hold any theory to be the absolutely correct because science doesn't assume itself to be perfect.
WOW, you so totally missed my point.
Your very last sentence will lead any reader to assume that it is your point. You posed many questions and in the end you posed a question that will even have to apply to you. Can you prove that the fossils examined for evolution aren't proof for it? Ah wait, what is this? I found something in another discussion about "why I stopped believing...why did you exChristians stop?"
"I find descriptions of dinosaurs and the physical evidence they existed are indeed FACT."
But in this discussion you say:
"Why are we so ready to jump on the evolution bandwagon without actual empirical proof?"
You may not be an evolutionist and disagree with it, but then you try to dismiss science completely in this discussion as having no "actual empirical proof" although you believe there is proof for dinosaurs through fossils. Sorry, but that's a contradiction unless you care to share your wisdom with the scientific community.
"Aren't you the one who believes in abortion? Right? Yet you are man if what your profile says is correct. Interesting."
This has absolutely nothing to do with what any of us were talking about. Yes, it is true that I'm an 18 year old male that supports abortion. I may not be a woman, but I support their rights because it is her body. Is it right for a man to tell a woman not to have an abortion? This seems to be a failed attempt at an insult, but once again it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The only people that ask why there are still monkeys about if we descended from them are those that have not studied Evolution. That is probably not your fault if you went to a Creationist school or you are a member of some cult that thinks the world is less than 10k years old.
You owe it to yourself to become better informed. Set aside an hour. Listen to the first few minutes of this video to see the how people like Ken Ham pollute the minds of children with perverse Science.
I have more :-)….Here is one on the Tree of Life.
We are still finding new species and Evolution is still happening.
A theory often starts out as a guess but a Scientific Theory is the collection of facts (i.e. peer-reviewed data that has JUSTIFIED the merits of that “guess” by experimentation. Look at it this way -- Scientists do not try to prove each other’s theories correct. Instead they set about disproving them. They are intend on destroying it. When they can’t the Hypothesis is accepted as being a valid theory.
We have moved WAY beyond Darwinism, which is what many Creationists like to disparage. Today we work with Modern Evolutionary Biology, which is something few theists will challenge. If Darwin could see the modern scientific techniques employed today he would be amazed. We owe him a debt of gratitude for his amazing insights just as Einstein owes Newton for having his shoulders to stand on with his Theory of Relativity.
The other thing about Science is it does not care what you (anyone) thinks about what it reveals. The Theory of Evolution is TRUE. There is NO DOUBT about that. It does not matter if you do not believe that for it is not a matter of Faith. Your denial of it is however. Evolution is only a matter of understanding. Evolution cares so little about what we think of it for it does not even know it created us.
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