Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention

Dan Savage talks about the use of the bible to justify homophobia at a high school journalism conference. Offended christian students leave the room.

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Comment by Ron V on April 29, 2012 at 7:55pm

What are we to make of passages such as those quoted above? We must conclude that the author(s) did not disapprove of the institution of slavery and probably regarded it as an appropriate part of society. Again, slavery was common in all contemporary societies, and it would be surprising to find condemnation here. But if those authors were indeed divinely inspired, as is commonly thought by Christians, then we must conclude that God's attitude towards slavery is not particularly negative. Christians are certainly not prohibited from owning slaves, and anyone who does not agree is directly condemned. There is, then, no conflict between being a Christian and being an owner of other human beings.

No "common sense" interpretation can deny such things without doing violence to the text itself, and nothing can be criticized as having been "taken out of context." Christians should perhaps consider admitting that their Bible was written in a primitive, barbaric age and as such represents the primitive, barbaric attitudes of that age.


The Bible was written for an audience ~2000 years ago who knew nowhere near what we know today.  They might have believed the nonsense written in the Bible, and those who are stuck in the Bronze Age today may still "believe" in it, but it is utter nonsense for living today - get over it and join us in 2012.

Comment by Ron V on April 29, 2012 at 7:58pm

Hopefully, more people will wake up to the fact that the Bible was written for people ~2000 years ago and has little to offer us today - unless, of course, we seek to be a racist, sexist, patriarchal, misogynistic, scientifically illiterate, superstitious, magical thinking society.

Comment by SteveInCO on April 29, 2012 at 8:12pm

Nit:  Both 2 and 3 John are shorter than Philemon.

His very last statement in the video is key.  Why is the anti-homosexual stuff the only part of the code of Leviticus that these people still want to apply?

Comment by Mike on April 29, 2012 at 8:22pm

I knew someone would come armed with better info than mine.

Also makes me wonder whose ignorance of the bible discredits whom.

Comment by G. Michael Williams on April 29, 2012 at 11:45pm

Ever notice the apologists need 1,000 words to answer simple questions?

Comment by Grady Jean on April 30, 2012 at 12:15am

Didn't Jesus tell his followers that he was not here to rewrite/disregard/throw out the laws of the old testament, but to enforce them? I believe it was Mathew 5:18? Or was it Luke 16:17?

Point is, Christians can claim to disregard the Old Testament all they want, but that just enforces the idea that if they can cherry pick out slavery, consumption of shellfish, and even the whole damn book itself, then why can't they do the same for homosexuality?

Comment by Jim Minion on April 30, 2012 at 12:34am

Grady yes it was Mat 5:18 Jesus told them not one word of OT law was to be changed until the end of time. Then we have Paul out evangelizing to the gentiles and OT laws was a pain in the ass (circumcising was a pain on an other front) so forget what the master said. Today's xian find that very helpful also. 

Comment by kOrsan on April 30, 2012 at 4:39am

I just love how these whackjobs always use the same cheap ass excuse.

"no dats teh Old testament, we don't use that anymore that doesn't count! can we please pretend like that never even happened? Chrisshins don't believe in teh OT!!"

Comment by Kathleen on April 30, 2012 at 9:14am

Well, the OT didn't become null because Jesus showed up. Mat. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The OT does apply to Christians if they wish to take the bible literally. In most cases they don't because the OT laws are terribly inconvenient, difficult to follow and in several instances violate basic human rights (the same is true of the NT).
If you are going to admit that you cherry pick the book then the argument would work because then you could ignore all the scary things that Jesus said (and scary bits of the OT) and sticking to the bits that are palatable. But then getting defensive about other people cherry-picking the bible in a different way seems a bit silly.

Comment by Jim Minion on April 30, 2012 at 9:31am

Kathleen quote "But then getting defensive about other people cherry-picking the bible in a different way seems a bit silly." is very kind, it is hypocritical if not dishonest on the part of xtians. In many cases it is simply they do not know any better because they don't read the bible and take a preachers word for what it says.


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