Yeah, the title says it all! Long, but I highly encourage anyone who thinks there is evidence of a Jesus Christ or that others wrote about Jesus outside of t...
have you heard all of the debates and rebuttals of Bart Ehrman? You should read the comments section of that video.
Ehrman does not make the best case against DM. Murdock. But this argument perpetuated by Murdock/Acharya S. is a conspiracy theory. A lot of this comes from that Acharya is an egyptologist, and not an expert on early Christianity. Some of these parallels are bizarre.
Ceremonial washings by the god anubis for burial does not make a baptism for instance.
The virgin birth is better explained by reading the LXX which demanded a virgin in the prophecy, than it is being compared to Isis, who was not really a virgin, but more of a necrophiliac.
The problem is that the New Testament is a large corpus of information about what Jesus supposedly did. You can find a lot of parallels to it in places all around the world, but the parallels to 2nd temple messianic prophecies are so much stronger, than the parallels to to cosmic mythology.
The reason why Ehrman does such a poor job refuting Murdock, is that he fails to take the argument seriously.
You guys may be interested in this thread that I started a thread on Nicea and the formation of the New Testament that you may be interested in. I definitely want the Ehrman position represented there, as I oppose Ehrman's conjectures that stray from Bruce Metzger his mentor.
Well Derek, I know that, and you know that about Nicea, but Atheists tend to toss skepticism and due diligence out the window far too often if dealing with a criticism of the Bible. Classic example of belief perseverance ( http://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0022-3522.214.171.1248) So you have to present things in a way that is categorized according to majority understanding, rather than according to fact.
What about Richard Carrier? - PhD from Columbia University in Ancient History. He writes a lot about the ahistoricity of Jesus Christ and seems to be a good expert source.
A man named Jesus most likely existed - Almost every biblical scholar agrees on that whether or not they are muslim , jew , christian or atheist. So I also feel it is ignorant to say he didn't exist. You can say it's possible he didn't exist just like it's possible your parents aren't your blood parents and that it's possible you were adopted and they lied to you. But is it plausible? Certainly not.
And to a question above, I actually have read most of Ehrmans books and watched every video and also watched debates of historians who suggest he never existed. The arguments and contextual evidence highly suggest he did exist.
By the way, Richard Carrier when you listen to him debate - He sort of says it's definitely a possibility that a man named Jesus didn't have to exist for the N.T. to have been created around the life of an imaginary figure. But he doesn't really sound like he's making a knock down argument with contextual evidence of his non existence. Mostly though, his arguments suggest that most of the details in the N.T. about Jesus do not represent the history of antiquity - I could be wrong, but I don't remember Richard Carrier outright saying he believes the nonexistence of Jesus altogether is more plausible than the existence of a man named Jesus with tons of legend surrounding him.
Join Think Atheist
Welcome toThink Atheist
Get Started Nowor Sign In
Or sign in with:
Sunday School March 1st 2015
Sunday School February 22th 2015
Sunday School February 15th 2015
Started by D L in Small Talk. Last reply by _Robert_ 9 minutes ago.
Started by Peter in Religion and the Religious, Atheism and Atheists. Last reply by Pope Beanie 2 hours ago.
Started by Unseen in Small Talk. Last reply by onyango makagutu 4 hours ago.
Started by Melvinotis in Art. Last reply by Pope Beanie 6 hours ago.
Started by Unseen in Philosophy. Last reply by Pope Beanie 6 hours ago.
April 13, 2015 all day – Anywhere that one might find a glass of Johnnie Walker Black
Posted by Pope Beanie on March 3, 2015 at 3:27pm
Posted by Belle Rose on March 1, 2015 at 6:27pm
Advertise with ThinkAtheist.com
© 2015 Created by umar.
Report an Issue |
Terms of Service
Please check your browser settings or contact your system administrator.