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So you know

Started this discussion. Last reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer 2 hours ago. 3 Replies

I'm going in for cataract surgery tomorrow and I'm preparing for it today. I have no idea when I'll be posting regularly again. I'll just have to see how it goes. Maybe it'll be Wednesday, maybe a…Continue

An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen 5 hours ago. 97 Replies

When it comes to value theory (ethics and aesthetics) one has a binary choice. Either such value judgments as "This is good/bad" or "That is beautiful/not beautiful" are true or they are not. But…Continue

Tags: morals, ethics, relativism, absolutism

Why is America so special?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Richard Ahearn 22 hours ago. 42 Replies

As dismal as the picture promoted by the GOP seems, actually the United States' recovery is head and shoulders above other countries and economies in the world, though don't expect President Obama's…Continue

Tags: Zakaria, Peter, Zeihan, Fareed, GOP

New theory of cosmic origin implies no Big Bang

Started this discussion. Last reply by Michael yesterday. 54 Replies

And this one is actually published in a peer reviewed journal.Read about it in plain English, though,…Continue

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Reg The Fronkey Farmer replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"Yes, best of luck and we will look forward to hearing from you soon. So will you get to wear Max Headroom's cool shades for a while?"
2 hours ago
Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"I'm sure everything will go swimmingly! Good luck and see you soon."
2 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"How does God's grace help the man decide whether to embezzle funds from the worthy charity he works for in order to save his child?"
5 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'So you know'
"Good luck with it."
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"The problem with the term "objective" is that some people will construe that if there is some objective data injected somewhere along the way, the system is fact-based and thereby justified, but religious people will often argue using…"
5 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I hope your larger plan is to enlighten religionists about this common ground! They're still the larger potential audience, too."
5 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"Environmental conditions vary and need to be considered, too. Birth control and abortion are prime examples of conditions changed by science, and I think there will be more serious controversies to address in the future, with a population unable to…"
5 hours ago
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I see what you're saying now about common word usage. I've invested in a more scientifically meaningful use of the term, albeit not truly standard, yet. I just haven't seen a better word for it, yet, so it's my shortcut. In any…"
6 hours ago
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So you know

I'm going in for cataract surgery tomorrow and I'm preparing for it today. I have no idea when I'll be posting regularly again. I'll just have to see how it goes. Maybe it'll be Wednesday, maybe a couple days after that, but if anyone mentions my absence, at least you'll know why. Archaeopteryx is telling me not to stress, so I'm trying not to but anything involving the eye...So, anyway, that's what's up with the Un-One the next few days.See More
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Simon Paynton replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"God's grace is the equivalent of the biological instinct for health and survival.  This instinct for health and survival - which translates into actions and consequences rather than a measurable state of being - is the currency of natural…"
6 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"My analysis was not that GM's system was absolute but that he was arguing that morals can be based on objective facts.  Rather than attempt to represent someone else's point of view (my bad - always a minefield), I will tackle your…"
6 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"What's your analysis of how GM's system is absolute and not relative? Take the example I gave above of the person faced with the only way of saving his child is to embezzle from a worthy charity."
6 hours ago
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"It's enough that you acknowledge there are other ways to see it, meaning atheists don't have to be moral/ethical relativists. If there weren't other ways to see it, I wouldn't have started the thread. I'm denying that the…"
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Simon Paynton replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"Looks interesting, thanks. "
6 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I get that there is an issue with Unseen's original statement but I was referring more to the subsequent back and forth within the thread."
6 hours ago
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'An atheist has to be a moral/ethical relativist'
"I agree that moral judgements should be analysed objectively rather than relatively. So in Unseen's example about the Ancient Greeks I believe it is possible to say they acted immorally even if they were not inherently bad people, they were…"
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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 37 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…

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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D

 
 
 

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