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If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?

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Bill Gates recently wrote:"I am in the camp that is concerned about super intelligence," Gates wrote. "First the machines will do a lot of jobs for us and not be super intelligent. That should be…Continue

Tags: intelligence, artificial

Illogic and the death penalty

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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's verdict came down today. He will get death barring successful appeal.I don't want to discuss the verdict but rather the logic of some death penalty opponents.What they say goes…Continue

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What are the odds of EU survival?

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I'm an American, so the question doesn't directly affect me, but if the EU falls apart it will undoubtedly have at least a temporary impact on the world economy, which could indirectly affect me in…Continue

Tags: austerity, economy, economics, EU

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Dr. Bob replied to Unseen's discussion 'Illogic and the death penalty'
"I'm not sure it's necessarily relevant to this discussion, but I found it remarkable that the Nebraska legislature eliminated the death penalty this week, over the governor's…"
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Unseen commented on Andy Hoke's blog post 'Non-traditional Marraige'
"Andy, I seriously doubt you'll find many (any?) anti-gay marriage people here. This is probably the wrong place to ask."
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"Ireland has made a place for itself in the history of sexual freedom. Congratulations!"
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Unseen commented on Andy Hoke's blog post 'Non-traditional Marraige'
"Why are you only interested in the views of those of us in favor of gay marriage? And why just polygamy? Why not polyandry (one woman, multiple husbands). "
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Unseen replied to Katie Patterson 's discussion 'am i the only athiest that believes in spirits'
""Energy fields." Hmm... Are you a physicist who actually understands what an "energy field" is or are you one of thum thar New Agers?"
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"That's terror or harassment, not war. To take or clear out an area, you ultimately need someone or something performing the soldier function. Or, of course, you could use poison gas, too."
Dr. Bob replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"Why make soldiers?   We're living in an increasingly connected world. Crash their pacemaker.  Change the street light just before they enter the intersection.  Have their self-driving auto drive into the lake.  Open the…"
Unseen replied to Brian Daurelle's discussion 'In Defense of ‘Islamophobia’'
"Literally, a last name that references Muhammed or jihad or something like that. Or is it just a Middle Eastern last name? A name that is common is Muslim areas."
Pope Beanie replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"It's interesting to me how we insist on personifying AI, as if it may become good or evil in and of itself. This is kind of like what humans have been doing for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years. Jesus and Satan are now precursors to…"
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"Unless, of course, they are run by mini nuclear reactors."
Ed replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"With the crappy battery technology that still exists today those Einsteinian robots better stay close to a charging unit."
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"And they'd always put the toilet seat down and wouldn't hesitate to ask for directions."
Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"However, if the Internet became, essentially, self-aware, and it wanted to get rid of some pesky humans, it might make soldiers, but why make them bipedal? I imagine they'd be like little tanks with something like tank tracks, armed with…"
ThyPlagueDoctor replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"All you are doing is fear mongering and frankly I don't like it one bit. You are trying to put fear into a system that is already full of fear from these brilliant minds, from culture, from movies and scifi .... So lets look at the good side…"
cecilia FXX replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"sure, "male" robots could be very useful. After satisfying women THEN the women would get the robots to clean the house. PERFECT! "
Simon Mathews replied to Unseen's discussion 'If Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, and Elon Musk fear AI, should we?'
"Couldn't agree more. Everyone thinks about this issue in terms of "Terminator" like faux-humans running about and killing mankind. But why would an artificial intelligence with a blank slate of design before it waste it's time…"

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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 36 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…


A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 2 Comments

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

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At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

At 7:51am on August 10, 2014, Brandon Bissell said…

Yeah thanks. I was hoping to talk to you about something so I'll send a message soon.

At 10:30pm on March 25, 2014, Justin said…

ah yes Im new to it, thank u

At 2:58am on March 25, 2014, EMil Wentzel said…

Thanks :)

I'm still feeling my way around, glad to see so many wonderful positive and active voices here :)

At 11:56am on February 7, 2014, Reg The Fronkey Farmer said…

Thanks for the add Unseen. We took long enough lol...

At 2:46pm on August 30, 2013, Beth said…

Nice to meet you too!

At 3:45pm on May 22, 2013, Asura said…

Yeah i'am new here, seems like an amazing place :D

Thank you!

At 4:25am on March 3, 2013, Gregg R Thomas said…

You Tyrant You.  LOL

Oh well at least we now have Richard Bohn, I wonder how long he will last. :D



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