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The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours

Started this discussion. Last reply by Davis Goodman yesterday. 51 Replies

Have you ever argued anyone out of their Christianity or their support of The Trumpster?Neither have I.The backfire effect occurs when, in the face of contradictory evidence, established beliefs do…Continue

Where does moral responsibility come from?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen on Saturday. 23 Replies

...scientists have been on a rampage writing ill-considered public announcements about free-will which … in some case verge on social irresponsibility … The recent flood of books by neuroscientists…Continue

"There's something going on" (with Obama)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Belle Rose on Sunday. 17 Replies

This article will explain what I'm talking about, in case you don't know.Donald Trump's favorite…Continue

The Cop/Black Conundrum... Some thoughts

Started this discussion. Last reply by Unseen Jul 18. 22 Replies

Because there are so many instances of unjustified shootings of often unarmed black men or black men not posing a major risk, black communities have become hyper-sensitized to any shooting of a black…Continue

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Unseen replied to Ole Fredrik Skjegstad's discussion 'godandscience.org?'
"Muslims can make any claim they want, but the God of Islam is the Middle Eastern God idea in a change of clothes. Their claim is simply historically false. "
2 hours ago
Unseen replied to Ole Fredrik Skjegstad's discussion 'godandscience.org?'
"Let's start with a convincing proof FOR the magical sorcerer at the center of Christian theology. A God borrowed, BTW, from Judaism and shared, BTW, with Islam. Show us, theist, an argument that's specific for YOUR god. In other words, one…"
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Unseen replied to Ole Fredrik Skjegstad's discussion 'godandscience.org?'
"In the subject line, Reg."
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Unseen replied to Ole Fredrik Skjegstad's discussion 'What does the arguement from Fine-tuning say about God?'
"Putting myself in a theist's shoes: God set things in motion with enough latitude built into it for it to go in unexpected directions just to make things interesting for me, to give me reasons to act and intervene. I know you'll say…"
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Unseen replied to Andrew Lafont's discussion 'Church Tax Exemption?'
"I'm sure more than one minister or priest has said something like, "I've looked at the candidates and issues and here's what I'm going to do and who/what I've given $50 to." They are citizens and can probably…"
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Unseen replied to Andrew Lafont's discussion 'Church Tax Exemption?'
"Even ministers and priests are citizens, have voting rights, and can speak on their own behalf. "
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Unseen replied to Andrew Lafont's discussion 'Church Tax Exemption?'
"It matters what is done with such profits. Are they pocketed by people operating the church or charity, or are they pumped back in and applied to their work?"
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Unseen replied to Andrew Lafont's discussion 'Church Tax Exemption?'
"You're talking at cross purposes.  Sure, churches sometimes DO get involved in political campaigns in violation of the rules, just like people sometimes drive over the speed limit.  Now, Billy Graham, Jr. is supporting Donald Trump.…"
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Unseen replied to Andrew Lafont's discussion 'Church Tax Exemption?'
"They can talk about value issues and only an idiot wouldn't understand how to apply that in the voting booth."
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Unseen replied to Anthony Blair's discussion 'Where does increased complexity come from in evolution?' in the group Atheists who love Science!
"You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. You have a population of a species in a territory. Part of the population drifts to another territory with different circumstances and THAT population adapts to the new…"
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Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
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Unseen replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Learn the skill to not engaging in name calling.  Someone is not an idiot. They are making idiotic arguments. Someone isn't a troll. They are trolling. And so on."
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FormerlyBornAgain replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Look at the string from the beginning. If you can't even make positive posts on this board without being picked apart... I don't need to be a member."
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FormerlyBornAgain replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"I'll provide the names of the philosophers if you first prove your behavior on the string isn't trolling. After all, the alleged trolling was what led all other subsequent posts. I made a comment in support of a post. I wasn't arguing…"
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Davis Goodman replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"I suspected you didn't have any names of Philosophers to give...cause they don't exist...cause you don't know what you're talking about. Best thing to do in a case like this is continue talking off topic but then end it there…"
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Strega replied to Unseen's discussion 'The Backfire Effect — It's why you can't change a Christian's or Trump follower's mind...and they can't change yours'
"Please stop name-calling. It breaches TA rules."
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MA in Philosophy. I call myself an atheistic agnostic. In other words, I'm atheist until someone proves I'm wrong.
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Strangely, you don't include the most obvious answer: God doesn't appear to exist, even as a possibility.
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Scientists are now admitting that nuclear power is greener than other alternatives

Posted on January 8, 2015 at 12:29pm 36 Comments

The full read from which the following quote is taken is here.

Nuclear power is one of the least damaging sources of energy for the environment, and the green movement must accept its expansion if the world is to…

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A great number of paradoxes, starting with Scroedinger's cat

Posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:00pm 1 Comment

I'm sorry, but I had to stop listening to this bit at about the fourth paradox due to being out of breath from laughing. How long can you last?

Famous last words. No...really!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 6:30pm 1 Comment

I found a website where Texas lists every capital execution from 1982 on. One of the more interesting things about it is that it includes any last statements the prisoners made. Interesting reading. Lots of "foxhole converts" among them, I note.

OBAMACARE Is Better Than You Think

Posted on September 24, 2013 at 11:40am 1 Comment

In just one week the main part of Obamacare will begin to kick in. This is the state level exchanges that will allow the uninsured to be covered. Beginning on October 1, people will be able to sign up to get insurance in their state regardless of their health.

Most people signing up on the exchanges will qualify for subsidies based on their income and family size. This means that the cost of insurance will be less than the advertised price.

This is good…

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At 7:41pm on May 29, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
Yeah dude. I was pleasantly surprised. That movie's not very good, as is the story with most modern Adam Sandler movies, but that was pretty cool. I wish it would have actually been Matt Frewer dressed up though.
At 1:48am on May 29, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
https://youtu.be/plrZB1AceXU this is a link to my personal channel so you know it isn't spam. It's Max Headroom's latest appearance.
At 9:58pm on April 17, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
Max Headroom's interview on David Letterman is hilarious, and available on YouTube.

I suggest buying the DVD if you haven't. Unfortunately Frewer isn't involved in any of the documentary features in the set, but there is plenty of that material available online. The DVD set contains the show from the 1987-88 American run, omitted is the Talking Headroom show and the 20 Minutes Into The Future (which is also available in its entirety on YouTube).
At 10:56pm on April 16, 2016, W1NT3R5 said…
So we don't always get along. However, I had no idea who Max Headroom was but your photo reminded me of a person I used to be acquainted with, and I searched it on Google and discovered him. I have now purchased the DVD set and watched everything available on YouTube, and while it was not your intention, you have created a fan of that show simply by choosing an avatar. Whatever it's worth, I appreciate it. Hopefully your ribs are healing well.
At 3:22am on April 3, 2016, JadeBlackOlive said…

Glad to hear that!

At 1:53am on April 3, 2016, JadeBlackOlive said…

How are you feeling, Unseen?

At 4:38am on December 26, 2015, Royce Earnest Rasmussen said…

Thank you!

At 3:26pm on December 14, 2014, Virgil said…

You and I got off to a bad start and I almost gave up on AT cuz of it.  I'm glad I didn't.  Amazing how much you and I agree on besides views on how jobs are created, the meaning of wealth and what produces it. All of that I believe about those things are from my personal experience in the past 5 years since becoming a civilian. I believe in them more today than ever before but all that is teeny minor crap compared to my core convictions.  The main reason I argued with you about that was the wrong reason to to argue.  I was offended on a personal level by things you said and I gave into that & put my anger ahead of reason. 

Interrogation.  Please point out any errors in you see in my reasoning.... (why ask, you'll do it even if I don't ask hahahaha!)

my last tour 2009 in Afgh I was a E4, a corporal, just one tiny small guy the big picture. When I heard this report was coming out I thought "oh shit!  This is going to get nasty!"  But wait... "nasty" is a relative term. As a war vet, my idea of nasty in regards to what could have been in that report  is waaaaaaaaay different from Joe Civilian's definition of nasty.  In fact my definition of nasty info on EIT would be impossible for him to wrap his head around and not break out in a chicken little dance. 

There's no damned way Feinstein & the others with that report know less about EIT than I do unless the CIA and armed forces have been totally lying to them.  That's just not possible. 

I've read all I can find for details, watched TV for the hot talking points and I have come to the conclusion that whole report just about has to be a psyop to cover ALLLLLLLLL the shit guys like me know and all the shit guys like me don't know.  For me there hasn't been ONE DETAIL in that report that was newsy or nasty.  I really feel what's going on is a well planned magician's trick that starts  off with him saying, "watch me cut off my right hand" to distract everyone IN THE WORLD while they sneak a 60 ton plaid elephant across the stage. 

This isn't a conspiracy theory about some secret plot from the Obama white house.  This is a theory about possibly pulling off a great Intel move to benefit the very people and programs that it's supposed to be making the focus of world wide outrage. 

But wait.  There's more.

There were things in that report that were totally ridiculous and almost funny when you thin about them.  ONLY  dummasses would fall for some of the shit AND the media and none of the "experts" have even tried to point the silly shit out. 

Think. The report says next to no vital intel has been obtained through EIT.  It says most of the intel obtained is lies told under torture.  I don't recall ONE time in my whole 22 months in Afgh when we were told, "get your guns and let's go find some bad guys to shoot." Every time we did anything se went out to specific places looking at specific times, to look for specific people, specific things and act like we were just dumb gyrines who didn't know what we were looking for. One time we did a four hour search on a small 6 house village before "noticing" the exact item we'd been shown satellite images of sitting right in our way the whole time.   Sooooo where did that intel come from?  The pentagon must be using psychics and have consult fortune tellers.  ...........  That's just one example.  One time we were rushed out to set up a  fake road check, told what car to look for, who would be in it and make sure its 4 tires were blown out 1 km before the road block so the occupants would have to get out and walk after all traffic on the road was stopped to prevent them from hitching rides.  When we go the guys back to base there were interesting guys there. After a staged accidental explosion the 3

At 9:06pm on September 19, 2014, Davis Goodman said…

Can't believe we weren't official friends here all this time!!!!

At 3:34am on September 2, 2014, Demetrius Alcala said…

You stole CBS

 
 
 

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