so do you not have an opinion as to old or young earth and evolution and all that. i see no evidence biblical that satan was cast to earth long before adam and eve arrived, is your statement just speculation or .... specifically what is ur opionion of adam and eve real? first people? did other species evolve unto them?

hey what is ur position as to the age of the earth and the first two chapters of genesis and adam and eve and all that

i understand what you are saying. i think the physical sperm analogies might be lacking a bit but they obviously always are. I see the subordination in the biblical  texts that you talk about when christ is a man. However, his preexistence before he became a man and whether he was subordinate or not would be purely speculation and honestly not that important. There may be some subtle implications of all this theologically but I don't think it really should constitute to  much criticism of the trinitarion doctrine seeing that ultiimately I still have to believe jesus is fully god. Whether, he was in some sense subordinate as the godman seems to not matter that much. All that to say I get what your saying though.

so what is your opinion of the trinity. how do u explain the father son holy spirit thing along with the deity of christ

Michael, you had two identical forum posts, probably due to a Ning glitch. I removed the duplicate for you and left the other in place.

Did you figure out these correlations on your own?

I was actually excited about someone's reply to your post, not the post itself. All apologies for the mistake. Am I interpreting correctly that you are one of those folks that "decode" the Bible?

I'm not attempting to be impolite or chaotic, but why are you here, exactly? Are you looking to convert (yourself or us)? Argue? Entertain yourself? Just curious.

Thank you for the compliment. ^_^

Your welcome. And that's just the thing about atheists... we're more open minded than a lot of theists [our term for religious people as a general] are. Many theist, whether Christian, Muslim, etc. are defensive because they have a precious worldview to defend, a worldview that is based upon no or little evidence (most of the time). I'll let you know that we understand you being treated as a threat, we are ALWAYS treated as a threat. I live among many conservative Christians [not your type but the kind your say are fake] and they make up all kinds of lies about us as a way to avoid trying to face the questions and criticism we pose to them. Although, to be taken seriously by atheists here you must show that you are a theist [literally meaning "one who believes in God"] that is willing to be accepting and not troll on our forumn. I think you are already accomplishing this. However, don't think we're disrespecting you because we challenge your statements and beliefs, that's what we do to all theists. It's my personal opinion that if you have a belief that you are not willing to be criticized and answer to that criticism then your belief isn't that strong to begin with. Am I right?

Welcome to think atheist! I look forward to get into many an academic jowsing match with you! ^_^