Yes I am a Democrat. I became one in 04. Prior to that from 1992 until 2004 I was an Independent.
Before the year 1992, I was a Republican. Then the Religious Taliban took over the party. I watched it be destroyed from within from 1984 to 1992.
Now I watch the so called "Republican Party" tear itself apart.
But I knew that was going to happen.
You see, one thing "Religious" people will do, it turn on one another.
If you look back when Jim Baker fell from "grace" how Falwell and others quickly attacked him.
It was not pretty.
Here is a video with Frank Schaeffer being interviewed by MSNBC.
It is worth watching.
Remember, who Schaeffer is talking about honestly believe that they have "God" behind them and they can do NOTHING WRONG. EVEN MURDER.
Let me know what you think.
Nice to meet you! ^_^
Funny thing about Mt. Washington, before I became an atheist, I went to Mt. Washington Presbyterian Church every Sunday. My family still does this... but I no longer join them.
It's good to meet someone who know the Anderson Township Area! ^_^
It's so HARD to find "out-of-the-closet" atheists in Cincinnati.
I came across this news item today and thought I'd share it with you. But first.......
Let me clear the air here for anyone who just does not get my stand on this issue.
I don’t need no god damn priest or bishop sticking their nose in my personal business.
I don’t need no god damn pope sitting on a throne in Rome Italy telling me what I can or cannot do.
If I do, then I’ll become a Catholic.
What happens between me and my doctor is none of their God Damn Business so BUTT THE HELL OUT! This is how I feel about abortion.
1. It is a PRIVATE matter.
2. It is between a women and her doctor.
3. It’s no bodies business and that includes any man, women, child, Nun, Sister, Novice, Monk, Priest, Bishop,
Minister, Preacher, Cleric, Mulla, Iatolla, Imam, or Rabbi or any other religious “leader.”
4. It’s never been any of their “business” and never will be.
5. So, MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS.
6. No where in the Bible or Koran or any other “religious” book does it say you can stick your nose in other peoples
business and that INCLUDES THEIR PERSONAL MEDICAL ISSUES.
7. Where these religious idiot get off thinking they have the “right” to stick their noses in other people’s personal and
private affairs, I have no idea.
8. I don’t see these so called “Pro Life” clowns offering any child support AFTER the baby is born. I don’t see them offering any financial support.
I don’t see them offering any medical support.
I don’t see them offering anything. WHY IS THAT? Can someone please tell me? I’d like to know. Others would too.
9. They don’t want:
Sex Education or
10. They don’t want their “Tax Dollars” to be spent on abortions. Well guess what, I DON’T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS SPENT ON FAITH BASED INITIATIVES.
We’ll cut that right off at the bat. I’m sure they won’t complain at all….And I’m sure the religious leaders won’t mind giving up free money from the government.
If they don’t like it then here is what they can do: MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE IT IS EXPECTED THAT YOU SPY ON YOUR NEIGHBORS AND PRY INTO THEIR PERSONAL AND PRIVATE BUSINESS.
I might suggest the following countries:
Saudi Arabia (The most sexually repressed country in the WORLD)
Iran (Now there’s a fundamentalist country if there ever was one…)
Communist North Korea
Communist Main Land China
Vatican City (you can worship the Pope all day long..)
Any Country with a DICTATOR. They'll feel right at home.
THE INFLUENCE GAME: Bishops shape health care bill
AP Associated Press
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer – 1 min ago WASHINGTON – Catholic bishops have emerged as a formidable force in the health care overhaul fight, using their clout with millions of Catholics and working behind the scenes in Congress to get strong abortion restrictions into the House bill.
They don't spend a dime on what is legally defined as lobbying, but lawmakers and insiders recognize that the bishops' voices matter — and they move votes. Representatives for the bishops were in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Capitol suite negotiating with top officials last Friday evening as they reached final terms of the agreement. Earlier in the day, Pelosi, a Catholic and an abortion rights supporter, had been on the phone to Rome with Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, Washington's former archbishop, on the subject.
It wasn't the first time a high-ranking Catholic had weighed in with a key player on writing strict abortion curbs into the health measure. Boston's Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley personally appealed to President Barack Obama about it near the church altar at the early September funeral for Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass. Bishops quietly called their congressmen and senators to weigh in.
"The Catholic Church used their power — their clout, if you will — to influence this issue. They had to. It's a basic teaching of the religion," said Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a leading abortion foe and architect of the health measure's restrictions.
It was Stupak who told Pelosi last Friday that if she wanted a deal on the health bill, she'd be well advised to invite the bishops' staff, who were already in his office, to her table. "I said, 'Well, they're here, and they're one of the key groups you want to have on your side, so why don't we just bring them in and work this out," Stupak said.
Pelosi did, and the result was a final measure that — much to the outrage of abortion rights supporters — bars a new government-run insurance plan from covering abortions, except in cases or rape, incest or the life of the mother being in danger, and prohibits any health plan that receives federal subsidies in a new insurance marketplace from offering abortion coverage. If women wanted to purchase abortion coverage through such plans, they'd have to buy it separately, as a so-called rider on their insurance policies.
The outcome has put Obama and Democratic leaders — already struggling for consensus on the complex and politically tricky health measure — in a tough spot. Democratic abortion foes in the Senate vow they won't support health legislation that omits the strict restrictions approved by the House, while abortion rights champions say they can't possibly vote for a bill that contains them.
Obama suggested Monday that he wants to strike a balance that doesn't allow backdoor federal funding of abortions but preserves women's insurance choices. For now, however, no such middle ground has been identified, and the bishops have served their notice that they will be a player — perhaps the dominant one — in the final outcome.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the church's Washington-based advocacy organization, which is staffed by more than 350 lay people, derives its power in large part from the sheer number of Catholics in this country — 68 million — but also from the special moral and religious standing of its members. Many of them are in regular contact with lawmakers, weighing in on issues from immigration policy to benefits for low-income people.
The group distributed fliers to every parish in the nation asking people to pray for abortion restrictions and to call their congressmen and senators asking them to "fix these bills with pro-life amendments."
And in recent days, the conference staff got elbow-deep in the legislative machinations on the health measure, even having bishops intervene with Republicans — who were loath to help Democrats pass their bill — to make sure they supported the abortion provisions.
Kathy Saile of the conference said Democratic leaders were willing to listen to the group because it has been in favor of Democrats' broader push for a health overhaul.
"We stayed in the conversation until the end, because the bishops have always been adamant about the need for genuine health care reform and want to see health care reform happen," Saile said.
Another factor that undoubtedly helped: Democrats are keenly aware of the power of Catholic voters, more than 50 percent of whom embraced Obama in the 2008 election. That was a substantial swing after Catholics had eschewed the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who is Catholic.
Said Saile, "This was a lot of members of Congress listening to their constituents."
The outcome left abortion-rights supporters, who couldn't muster enough votes in the House to head off Catholic abortion foes' intervention, fuming.
The bishops "essentially got signoff. They dictated this, and it's totally inappropriate — it's blatant interference between church and state," said Eleanor Smeal of the Feminist Majority. "The women's movement and the pro-choice forces feel like they were had." Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a leading liberal, suggested Tuesday that the IRS should investigate the conference's tax-exempt status, given its intense lobbying on the health measure.
And Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., a prominent abortion rights supporter who has gathered the signatures of more than 40 representatives who refuse to back a health bill that contains the restrictions, said the bishops had been allowed to overstep their bounds.
"No one group should get to dictate the outcome of legislation in Congress," DeGette said. "Every group should be listened to, but I don't think one group should be given veto authority over what we do."
This is from the movie Back to School. Kinison played an American History college professor who was a Vietnam vet.
While not trying to be political it does tend to make me think of how to react to people like G.H.W.Bush, Dick Chaney, Paul Wolfowitz and other such politicians.
Sam Kinison for those of you who don't know, was a comic who died in an auto accident in the early 1990's.
He was known as the "Screaming Comic"
He was once a preacher and made his living doing "revivals" across the US.
He left that to do comedy.
Sadly, had just remarried, and his career was going strong.
Nothing was safe from Sam.
The Internet has helped us come together. BUT, just to let you know there are others like us who are well known.
Forrest J. Ackerman
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Thomas J. Altizer
Peter William Atkins
Iain M. Banks
MC Paul Barman
Sir Herman Bondi
T. Coraghessan Boyle
Julia Hartley Brewer
Russell T Davies
Mark Jonathan Davis
William B. Davis
Bret Easton Ellis
Ludwig Andreas von Feuerbach
Robin Lane Fox
Jean Luc Godard
Theo van Gogh
Richard E. Grant
A. C. Grayling
James A. Haught
General Choi Hong-Hi
W. P. Kinsella
Ring Lardner Jr.
Alexander I. Lebed
Heather Mac Donald
Sir Ian McKellen
Markos 'Kos' Moulitsas Z
Madalyn Murray O'Hair
Ron Reagan Jr.
Robert I. Sherman
Robert Smith (football)
George H. Smith
J. Michael Straczynski
Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Rabbi Sherwin T. Wine
Irvin D. Yalom
* Amy Alkon
* Martin Amis
* Piers Anthony
* Margaret Atwood
* Richard Avedon
* Michelle Bachelet
* Antonio Banderas
* Nick Becker
* Burton C. Bell
* Monica Bellucci
* Sir Harrison Birtwistle
* Lewis Black
* Susie Bright
* Warren Buffett
* Gene Burns
* Kurt Busiek
* Dick Cavett
* Winston Churchill
* Helen Clark
* Robert X. Cringely
* Charles Darwin
* Alan Dershowitz
* Richard Dreyfuss
I saw you posted a link to the freethought convention. Are you going? I added it as an event on TA a while ago:
Are you involved in any of the Houston Groups? I was just at the Houston Church of Freethought last weekend to help spread the word about Camp Quest Texas. I can't tell by your profile pic if we met or not.
This is from Maddow's show on MSNBC. SCHAEFFER was one of the founders of the "Christian Coalition" way back when. But, the man has since come to his senses. I use to be a Republican until the "Republican" party "left" me and others back in 1992. I guess they just fell in love with the idea that some idiot preacher could provide them a wad of money from a PAC and a block of votes from a bunch of church going sheep.
MADDOW: How do you work to move people off of that position? It doesn’t seem like facts are relevant [to them] in trying to move people away from these beliefs.
SCHAEFFER: You don’t work to move them off this position. You move past them. Look, a village cannot reorganize village life to suit the village idiot. It’s as simple as that. And we have a village idiot in this country called fundamentalist Christianity…. There is no end to this stuff. Why? Because this subculture has as its fundamentalist faith that they distrust facts. They believe in a young earth 6,000 years old with dinosaurs [living at the same time as] human beings…. This is la-la land.