Leo, I've been thinking more and more about our exchange. Not the points of it because I of course am never wrong. :-) I have a monopoly on being right! I commented to Dan that I really want to be welcoming to theists, but I allow myself to be dragged into arguments versus making a point and leaving it alone. I hope that you feel welcome to make your points and we all get to learn from it. I find that I fall into this intellectual pothole on debates with theists and you were the better man in getting out of it on ours. It points out an area of growth I should seek with more sincerity. Thank you.