I've seen several atheists here talk about Zeitgeist here in a positive way. By Zeitgeist I mean the movie, not the general term for "spirit of the ages." Zeitgeist is not a friend to atheists, or anyone else. Yes the first section is about religion and from a skeptical point of view, but they substitute supposition for fact in the same manner that they do for the sections on 9/11 being an inside job and the banking system being a world wide conspiracy. I'm no friend to religion or capitalism, but I know to rely on facts instead of conspiracies and pseudo scientific attempts at debunking. See the wiki article for more details.

And regardless of whatever good intentions they may have or things they may say it's a mistake to get in bed with truthers just because they don't believe in a god.

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Comment by Dave G on August 25, 2009 at 8:15pm
I recommend Nelson's screed on Zeitgeist and why recommending it is a bad idea.
Comment by Joe O'Brien on August 25, 2009 at 8:18pm
Oh. Well. I am entirely superfluous it seems. And yet people still recommend it.
Comment by Dave G on August 25, 2009 at 8:26pm
Probably because blog posts scroll off the front page fairly rapidly, so all of the previous blogs decrying Zeitgeist get buried. And since people tend not to use the search function, no one finds either the previous posts recommending Zeitgeist, or the responses explaining why it should not be recommended.

All we can do is continue to point out why it is a bad thing to recommend.
Comment by Dave G on August 25, 2009 at 8:28pm
Oh, and you are certainly not superfluous. The more people we have pointing out its flaws, the fewer people will recommend it in the future
Comment by MikeTheInfidel on August 25, 2009 at 8:54pm
Zeitgeist's description of religion is a perfect example of being right for entirely the wrong reasons. Yes, religion is a myth. No, the word of some woo-meister is not the reason.
Comment by Frink on August 25, 2009 at 9:05pm
To me, it doesn't matter that it's been posted before. I'm glad it's continually criticized. We DO NOT want to be associated with it.
Comment by Reggie on August 25, 2009 at 11:57pm
And since people tend not to use the search function

I get it. I'm lazy. Quit picking on me.

Zeitgeist is, at least the first part, the type of thing that plays to our bias which is probably why people still recommend it. When I first saw it, I was impressed. So much so that I immediately distrusted it. My wife and I looked up a couple random claims made by the film and found they were either not true or were embellished in a way to fit the narrative they were creating. I didn't bother researching further and tried to forget any points that made by this film that agreed with my bias. If that film taught me one thing, then it was not to become complacent in my skepticism.
Comment by Jason on August 26, 2009 at 11:28pm
Not all atheists are skeptics. It's actually a good thing that there is deviation. I am a skeptic and Zeitgeist is BS but this is not a requirement of my atheism.
Comment by Reggie on August 27, 2009 at 9:40am
Not all atheists are skeptics. It's actually a good thing that there is deviation. I am a skeptic and Zeitgeist is BS but this is not a requirement of my atheism.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who are atheists for terrible reasons or by accident of birth. And to cover my bases, I'm sure there are atheists who became so for great reasons but are not skeptics or critical thinkers. I'd hate to think that the label of atheist would be used in a way that it carried extraneous meanings, but I know it often is.

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