You Can’t Have Morality Without God

I know some of this has been talked about before, I just wanted to state my opinions on this subject and include things that might not have been stated before.

As an Atheist, I am constantly hearing from Christians that morality would not exist without the word of God instructing us on how to live our lives. Though I’ve found many things in the bible to dispute this claim, I will stick to the most well known set of ground rules in the bible, The Ten Commandment.

Most may not know them all, but everyone knows what they are and what they represent. If morality is truly from God’s own words, then surely it should be in these laws.

Having looked at them all though, only about six of them are even relevant to life and God's chosen people broke all but one of them. Some of the laws were even overlooked by God, because it was prosperous for the chosen people.

Think About This:

The first four commandments:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. - This is just God being a jealous god like we've read so much about. I'm referring to the passages that actually say he is a jealous God even though he is just and fair.

2. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven images. - To me this is the same reason as the first commandment. The Catholic Church is especially known for breaking this commandment. Just look at all the religious art.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy God in vain. - To me this is the same reason as the first commandment. Also, how would one define "in vain"? Could it be saying God is great while blowing up a plane in his name or simply saying that something should be an abomination unto him?

4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. - This is because God had to rest on the seventh day and so should we. Really that doesn't make sense. Also, Sabbath comes from the Pagan word "Sabbat" which means celebration. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Now we get to the next six. These are the ones that I actually approve of, even if God overlooked them.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother. - It's always a good idea to honor and learn from you're elders, except it doesn't quite work this way. We are supposed to love our parents, but we shouldn't honor everything they say. Look at it this way, what if you're father was the man in Sodom and Gomorrah, he didn't want people to hear of the city's bad reputation, so he offered his own daughters for his enemies to "have their way with". An honorable person wouldn't do this to their own children, but if a dishonorable man DID do this, the child would have to obey or they would be breaking a commandment.

6. Thou shalt not kill. - of course if you are populating the world, you wouldnt wouldnt to kill you'reselves off. Besides, how could a society grow with such chaos? Only thing is, the bible is filled with people who have killed in the name of God.

7. Thou shall not commit adultery. - , but it doesn't make a bit of sense because God obviously didn't mind polygamy.

8. Thou shalt not steal. - stealing brings disorder to society. It causes distrust and contempt. So of course this is a good idea, except that God's chosen people stole not only property, but wives and slaves whenever they conquered a new tribe.

9. Thou shalt not bare false witness. - This one is great. This is one that actually doesn't get broken in the bible very often.

10. Thou shalt not covet. - I think wanting things give you motivation and a purpose in life..I dont really find this comandment nessesary, thier are reasons why it can be bad though. in the bible, God's chosen people coveted land that they were told they would inherit. They also coveted the property, slaves and wives of the men that they conquered. But God obviously didn't care about this transgression. Also, I find it interesting that you can't even THINK about doing something. It commands you to ignore the natural urges of desire.

This leaves us with only six commandments that give us morality. Only six and no where does it cover rape, abuse, slavery, equal rights or anything else that we claim are important. So if God is the reason for morality, wouldn't he add a lot more than six commandments? And what of the ones that God seemed to overlook for his chosen people?

After reading the commandments, it’s obvious that basing morality off of them is a bad idea. People can learn a far better ideal of morality from common sense and their own life experiences.

Morality without religious doctrine is related to culture, upbringing, life experiences, logic and common sense. If you follow only the moral code set forth by a certain religion, there is always going to be something left out.

There are also shades of gray when it comes to morality, not everything is simply "good and evil." If you had the chance to save the life of a complete stranger, but it meant letting someone you loved die, how would you choose? That's sort of an example.

Now I've talked about sharing the same principles as the word of God has taught us, but who's to say that these rules are just in the first place? Is God to say that they are absolutely just when really, we are the ones who are interpreting the word of God?

What of the other things that God let everyone get away with in his name in the old testament? What about treating women as property and what about slavery? In our secular nation, we have found that these are considered immoral and were probably influenced mostly by religion in the first place. Isn't this a good argument for Godless morality?

There were many other commandments that Moses passed onto us and maybe I'll talk about those some other time.

In conclusion, there are certain things that God's word has left out or even included that should be considered as immoral. I also find it interesting that the son of God's teachings could differ so much from our omnipotent creator's teachings. If you think about it, Jesus Christ's teachings were more influential to morality in our modern world then our God's. But even the savior's teachings can be challenged and it still goes to show that a belief in God is not necessary for morality.

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Comment by Lindsey on October 31, 2010 at 11:00pm
Well I sure as hell wouldn't know how to be a good person without God. Last sunday I went to the grocery store for some milk, and then I stoned all the cashiers and shelf stockers to death for breaking the sabbath. Then naturally, I was stoned to death as well as I was also breaking the sabbath. As the bible commands. Don't know where I'd be without it. Probably alive and enjoying those cupcakes I was planning to bake with the milk I bought on the sabbath.
Comment by Jason Paisley on October 31, 2010 at 11:20pm
God as the author of morals eh? Is this the same god who had a nasty habit of misogyny, genocide, jealousy, vindictiveness, homophobia, hypocrisy, sadomasochism, extreme violence, infanticide, racism, pestilence, malevolence and psychotic narcissism?

Just to name a few.
Comment by Jon Heim on November 1, 2010 at 2:57am
Except with horses and mules!? hahha
Comment by Atheist Exile on November 1, 2010 at 6:37am
And what's with all the incest in the Bible? Does that really have any place in "holy", divinely inspired, scripture?
Comment by Jason on November 1, 2010 at 8:10am
If my understanding of the human species is correct, humans existed way before the bible was even written…. So I’m thinking morality out dates the invention of God/Bible. Christians (who accept evolution) would have to conclude that humans had no morality for the two hundred thousand years or so before the bible. In just the last 6000 years, God intervened and introduced morality? Cough – Bull Shit.
Comment by Not Important on November 1, 2010 at 12:15pm
You substituted another attack on Christianity for what the topic was supposed to contain: Where does morality come from if not from God. This was a real disappointment. There are zillions of attacks on Christian morality around. Where's the material that should have been here?
Comment by Gaytor on November 1, 2010 at 12:43pm
You should write it Not Important. I would suggest that morality comes from living in social groups. If your behavior harms the good of the group, it will either be outlawed or you will be removed. In fact the largess of our laws are developed that way. It hurts society to lie about the value of your public company, so we outlaw the behavior in that context. But we do not say that lying as a whole is unacceptable whereas the Bible would, except for where God is concerned because it is even worth advocating that sending a lie is a good thing. "So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies." 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Another way to address the question of Morality is that Judaism gains a foothold around 3500 BC. There are quite a few cities that existed prior to then. Damascus for example has existed almost twice as long. If they had no morality, how did the society flourish. China had little to no exposure to religion but existed as a society for 1000's of years. Of course you may find value judgments to make, but I would simply redirect you to the slave, serfdom, monarchies, etc of Judaism and Christianity. So what and when did Christianity bring this great societal enlightenment?

Isn't it true that equality has improved for all across the Western World as religion has been pushed to a secondary philosophical role over a political position?

If you believe that there are absolutes or a reason to suggest that morality comes from God rather than society, lay it out either here or in a discussion under the forums tab. There are multiple groups like Prosthelytize Point. Welcome to TA by the way!
Comment by Jon Heim on November 1, 2010 at 2:52pm
not Important: what exactly were you looking for or expecting? What I wrote may seem like an attack on Christianity but surely it is all based on fact. It's how I came to the conclusion that the morality based on doctrine isn't complete, and I'm sure if you read everything I wrote, you will see that even God's chosen people got away with breaking the ten commandments without punishment. You may argue and say that they were put out of Israel for breaking them, but that isn't the case, the bible clearly implies that God punished them for certain things, and most of these commandments weren't one of them. It seems to me that only the commandments that only describe how you should worship god, were the ones that were punished.
Comment by Jon Heim on November 1, 2010 at 2:54pm
I love the conversations we're starting here. and Doone: what's up with the poodwaddle?
Comment by Gaytor on November 1, 2010 at 11:26pm
Dolphins are inherently immoral because of their group sex and we all know that sex is the trump card.


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