I would like your help on a few questions i pose to friends and family, mostly armchair moderate christians, a few agnostics, and some young nieces and nephews that are atheists but afraid to admit it to their parents...i would like some honest and thoughtful answers that i could possibly use in a section of a book i am writing, nothing that involves names ect; or even specifics of any kinds...its just a fill in section to take the writing from one chapter to another.  here are a few and i thank you for your answers.

1. Will there ever be a U.S. President that is an outright Atheist?

    a. If YES in what approximate year do you think this will happen?

    b. If NO why not?

2. Do you believe Atheism is an evolutionary process in the shape of: Evolved Intelligence>Civilization>Polytheism>Monotheism>Atheism...ect?

    a. Or Not, its just a choice we happened upon

    b. Or Yes but not necessarily in that order or any order at all or couldve been just atheism throughout

    c. Another situation(s)

3. What would/would not happen to organised religion if alien life was found?

4. What was your personal story in the denial of religion?

5. Do you believe, as i DO, that organised religion will die out and...

    a. It will make the earth a better/worse place for it

    b. It will direct the earths focus on prolonging our lives, advancing technology, eradicating disease, ect...

    c. It will never die out

    d. It will just take on a new form since there are people who will never be able to live without some semblance of a higher power

6.  CAN YOU ADD ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SORT ABOVE FOR DISCUSSION?

 

Thank you for your answers, support, and for being true to yourself.  We dont have to deny or justify anything, facts are facts and truth is truth.  I stopped believing in fairy tales and childrens fables when i was younger, and some of them were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the bible, and more believable.  I am glad to have a community of like minded "friends" who i can share, discuss, argue and debate with.  I have been working on 3 books for the past 4 years, 2 of them are novels, one is a discussion of my personal atheism, how it affects my family friends and the like, how i relate it to the world and how it has shaped my view of other humans on this beloved planet of OURS.  I cannot express fully how helpful this site has been, our contributors and their works, both private and public, and how they and you all have shaped my still learning mind down new paths and unexplored directions.  thank you and keep on truckin.....  ~rookie~

 

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Comment by kris feenstra on May 29, 2013 at 9:24pm

On the bright side, revision shows we at least care enough to get it right in the end.

Comment by SteveInCO on May 29, 2013 at 10:03pm

@John Cook

Thanks for answering my question that came genuinely from curiosity.  I don't know why you expected hate mail in response to your response; you won't get it from me.

I was half expecting claims about the early presidents; the much more interesting part was what you said about recent presidents.

You are in essence claiming three relatively recent Democratic presidents are atheists based on inference, in turn based on your personal knowledge of them.  None of them confided atheism to you (which is understandable; that particular thing "leaking" could be disastrous).  I can't verify any of this and it is partially inferential in any case, so I certainly can't assert that they were atheist based on this, just that I have heard claims to that effect.  [I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Nixon were too for that matter, based on what little I know of him.]

[One thing that IS certain though is that JFK believed in absolute separation of church and state, which concept makes Santorum want to vomit.  I'd just as soon that incontrovertible word of JFK's atheism didn't get out, that being the case.  Because we don't want people thinking that only a "damned atheist" would]

Back to the older presidents you named:  As I understand it the scholarly consensus is that Washington and Jefferson were deists, not atheists (I think I said in my question they were "non-Christians").  A deist I could get along with a hell of a lot better than Ted Haggard, but a deist does believe in a god of some sort (you will see references to "nature's god", etc., those are deist references and concepts).  Of course Xians today will dishonestly claim that Jefferson and Washington were christians (gotta love that painting of Washington praying at Valley Forge) but that's no reason for us to exaggerate their degree of disbelief.

I know next to nothing about Andrew Jackson.  I do occasionally hear claims that Lincoln wasn't much of a believer either.

Comment by archaeopteryx on May 29, 2013 at 10:25pm

RE: "I do occasionally hear claims that Lincoln wasn't much of a believer either."

"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln -

Comment by Unseen on May 29, 2013 at 10:32pm

1. Will there ever be a U.S. President that is an outright Atheist?

a. If YES in what approximate year do you think this will happen?

b. If NO why not?

b. Because there will always be stupid and weak people.

I strongly suspect that President Obama is a closet atheist who just goes through the motions of believing because if he didn't he wouldn't be President. I also suspect Nixon and Kennedy of being atheists. Supposedly Nixon was a Quaker, but if you believe that... I think the most interesting President in terms of religion was Eisenhower who, by turns, was a River Brethren, a Jehovah's Witness, and finally a Presbyterian. (source)


2. Do you believe Atheism is an evolutionary process in the shape of: Evolved Intelligence>Civilization>Polytheism>Monotheism>Atheism...ect?

a. Or Not, its just a choice we happened upon

b. Or Yes but not necessarily in that order or any order at all or couldve been just atheism throughout

c. Another situation(s)

c. I think atheists can occur in any of the stages you listed. Your progression seems to turn atheism into something other than disbelieving in a theistic deity.


3. What would/would not happen to organised religion if alien life was found?

That would raise a lot of questions and seriously weaken whatever basis is left for believing in an earth-based religion.


4. What was your personal story in the denial of religion?

When I was in my late teens I thought I might enter the Episcopal clergy, but once I went to college and really seriously started looking at the evidence for religion, I became an atheist.

5. Do you believe, as i DO, that organised religion will die out and...

a. It will make the earth a better/worse place for it

b. It will direct the earths focus on prolonging our lives, advancing technology, eradicating disease, ect...

c. It will never die out

d. It will just take on a new form since there are people who will never be able to live without some semblance of a higher power

c. and d. are my choice (they aren't mutually exclusive). Some traditional religions will go on and some people will be attracted to hare brained New Agey kinds of yuppie religions.

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