Comment by Cat on September 16, 2009 at 6:02am

Bravo. You've absolutely hit the nail on the head. The quiverfull movement, the catholics, the mormons and the devout muslims are breeding like rabbits. Not only will they suffocate the planet, they're working hard to suffocate reason by raising up entire ignorant armies from the cradle to the gun.

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on September 16, 2009 at 6:03am

Hey now!
It's not just the Muslims! The Mormons and Catholics are still bunnies in my book, too!
There is also that operation Quiverful that's some nondenom fundy Christian thing that's into the game as well.

I agree as well.. My boyfriend and I are dead set against having kids. We'd rather have a boat and dogs and expensive toys. Way more fulfilling, way less obligation and way better budgeting in the long run.
No offense to you folks out there that DO have kids. It's just a decision I made before realizing it was even a decision.
Not everyone does, you know. I've got a lot of friends that had kids just because they thought it was some mandatory step in being an adult.

Comment by Wassabi on September 16, 2009 at 6:22am

it wasn't my intention to single out the Muslims. This problem exists everywhere in the world where you have people who refuse to let go of ancient tradition, but have no objection to modern medicine.

In israel this problem is getting very very serious, as future demographics are clearly visible in how many children go to which educational system- the secualr or the religious (we have two).

And the numbers aren't encouraging. fifty years tops, and Israel is a Jewish theocracy.

Comment by Doug Reardon on September 16, 2009 at 11:01am

Forty years ago, there was a movement called ZPG, Zero Population Growth, it just faded away due to pressure from the right and the Catholic church denigrating the movement.

Comment by Dave G on September 16, 2009 at 3:50pm

ZPG, and their more extreme cousins VHE (Voluntary Human Extinction) are still around, as far as I know. Just not very well publicized.

Comment by Kazuara on September 16, 2009 at 6:29pm

You know I'm Christian and I've agreed with everything you've just and the comments above. I honestly believe that this planet just doesn't have the resources or ability to sustain the world's human population which is still growing. I think that through advances in medicine and technology, plus pregnancy encouraging religions, human beings have tipped what used to be a natural balance.

I firmly believe in the use of contraception and abortion, so as such I think the teachings against this in Catholicism are absurd.

On a final note, in the current economical climate, it would probably be wise for people to stop having kids. Especially if they like to keep their money for personal spending and a higher quality of life.

Comment by Reggie on September 16, 2009 at 10:29pm

But today’s reality has changed rapidly. Since the discovery of antibiotics, bacteria and sanitation roughly one hundred years ago, humanity has grown from 1.5 billion to a whopping 6-7 billion today. There is only one reason for this: people still breed as they did before- only now nobody dies from a common cold or a broken limb anymore.

There is not one reason for this. From modern medicine to modern agricultural techniques, there are many reasons for the explosion in population. To simplify the cause of the problem is an injustice because it suggests a simple solution. There is not a simple solution and while we need to be sure that breeding does not out pace our ability to sustain that population, remember that if we don't, nature will.

Comment by Wassabi on September 17, 2009 at 2:41am

of course there are more reasons- which can all be summed up as the industrial revolution and the age of modern science.

but you have to agree that even if there was no environmental regulation whatsoever, but there was a limit to how many children can be conceived per family - then less forests would get cut down to support the needs of 2 billion rather than 7 billion people. same goes for the food industry, automobile industry, energy industry agriculture and so on.

we could go on "polluting" and still cause far less damage than we'd do today even with the best green regulation.

Comment by Reggie on September 17, 2009 at 5:44pm

Oh yeah, I agree. :)

Comment by Holly on September 17, 2009 at 9:28pm

I don't see a happy ending to the vast population growth of humans. following it through to conclusion, leads to one stark answer that can't be avoided... It's all part of evolution, survival of the fittest... It's the one inevitability for the human species.

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