I see a lot of Christians hating on Muslims. I see a lot of Muslims hating on Christians via mainstream media.  I do not personally know many Muslims.  I also see many Atheists hating on Christians, but not really so much with Muslims.  Are we bashing our greatest perceived enemies?

 

Is this a window to our fears?  On a completely human and emotional level, do we make the barriers to protect ourselves from the destruction of our beliefs?  I feel that is why so many people resort to name calling and belief bashing simply to secure their own insecurity.

 

For the purpose of this conversation, please disregard physical evidence in service of a specific belief (i.e. atheism, islam, christianity) because each of these groups do believe they are correct in their belief of god or no god or many gods.  For this discussion, actuality isn't important, but what we do and why.

 

Any thoughts?

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Comment by Arcus on July 29, 2011 at 10:18am

What's wrong about bashing people's belief systems? It's not like they are holy or anything...

Comment by Steve on July 29, 2011 at 10:52am

Christianity is targeted simply because it's the biggest religion in the west. Muslims are a small minority. When you get down to it, they are most equally silly for pretty much the same reasons. But you don't see Muslims trying to take over the government for example. Their attempts to enter the public sphere get publicized a lot, and some of them may be questionable, but they absolutely pale in comparison to the way Christians try to worm their way into everything

Comment by Sassan K. on July 29, 2011 at 10:53am

Ummmmm...Muslims are a small minority? Are you joking?

Comment by Sassan K. on July 29, 2011 at 10:54am

Muslims are not trying to take over government? Muslims are trying to take OVER mother fucking SOCIETIES by waging jihad - what kind of crack are you on??? Do you even know what the Hadith is and the concept of Islamic conquest is that is the underpinning of every Islamic fundamentalist?

Comment by Sassan K. on July 29, 2011 at 10:56am

The way "Muslims act is pale compared to Christians" ....? WTF? When a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn in the west - they act like savage barbarians. When a Pastor in Florida threatens to burn a quran - heads are being cut off. When their women are not in order - they kill them and stone them to death. I'm sorry, but you lack any perspective and common sense. Even in the west - there have been way too many honor killings with Muslims and thousands of girls every year are genitally mutilated - all in the west.

Comment by Sassan K. on July 29, 2011 at 10:58am

We live in America so it is not that apparent for us - but the Europeans have had PLENTY of problems with Islamization of Europe and the venom the Islamic faith has brought to the west.

Comment by Nate on July 29, 2011 at 11:51am

Atheists do not discriminate against a single religion, all are despised equally.  You just hear a lot about christians because that is the largest group in America that gives us grief.  I don’t dislike religion because of fear, insecurity, or to protect my beliefs from being disproven or anything like that.  I dislike them because of what they stand for and how harmful a religion can be. 

I love it when anyone tries to pull this off, but you really cannot disregard physical evidence (facts) when you lump in Atheism with the rest of the isms, because it is that reason that sets us apart to begin with, and it also explains what we do and why.  I understand what you are trying to ask, but honestly its irrelevant because the only thing we believe in is that there is no god or god like entity, and we base this on our observations and knowledge that science has shown and proven.  The rest of the isms base their beliefs in faith, which is not grounded in fact by its very definition.  Since there is no proof or evidence to support their faith, your question would apply perfectly, because without any of that, one cannot truly know beyond a shadow of a doubt if they are correct.  They can have faith and force/trick/fall into thinking that they “know” that the religion of choice is right and is the only one right.  I’m also not saying the Atheism has all the answers, just like everyone else we don’t know what comes after death, no one does because that is a one way ticket.  I don’t think there is a god because for me that explanation makes the most sense (The only one to actually make sense) and everything we continue to learn and discover as the years go on only reaffirms that belief. 

We attack religions not out of insecurity, but rather out of frustration and retaliation.  Any religion, especially christians, believe we are the most evil creatures out there, worse that Satanism I think, because their effed up minds cannot comprehend that just because we don’t look to a sky daddy for answers, you have no morality, decency, feelings, conscience, or heart beat, because only god can give you those because god are those things.  And the fact that they buy into religion means that they are very insecure and fearful (the majority of course, I know there are exceptions for we are all people) because they only follow god because they think it will save them from eternal pain and damnation… isn’t that the very definition of fear?  So if fear is the very core of religion (it is, don’t fool yourself) then allow me to quote the great master: “Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate…leads to Suffering.” And in my experience christians can be the most angry and hateful people on the planet, and that is also because Sky Daddy tells, no commands them to destroy anything that is different, how is that not fear?

Atheism on the other hands has no divine omnipotent Schoolmaster, constantly demanding  and commanding obedience and punishments in his “greater judgment and knowledge.”  So we are left to ourselves to guide us, and you know, we are so much better off because of it.  In order to grow one has to start making their own decisions and be accountable for their actions, we all have to do it at some point and the same goes with life and religion.  Stop waiting on Sky Daddy’s permission, explanation and scapegoats.   Stop saying the Devil made me do it and be accountable for what you do.  Religion I believe was a stepping stone for our species, it offered explanation for the workings and reasons for existence, but we have moved on with science.  We no longer believe a giant chariot hauls the Sun across the sky, we know we are on a planet orbiting a star, and the same thing can be applied to just about everything in religion.  Atheism is just Humanity growing up, ignoring imaginary creatures and fairy tales and discovering the real world, and you know what? Its fantastic!

Comment by Michelob on July 29, 2011 at 12:05pm

@ Arcus - There is a difference between bashing and criticizing.  The later is a use of civilized behavior.  Many Atheists cite Theists' belief structure to be illogical, but disregard the idiocy of insulting and embarrassing them with an expectation for them to consider what you have to say.  

 

Secondly, you are the first reply.  The topic specifically says this topic is not for validating belief structures, yours or otherwise.  There is plenty of other space to do that on this site.  You have no excuse.  Don't be a troll.

 

@ Sassan - Were you a practicing Muslim previously?  I think I remember you stating that in a previous topic with Micheal.  I am probably wrong though... I ask because I am curious as to whether the actions you mention are the actions that are sanctioned by the faith or if the justification of those actions were made by previous people.  Christians and Jews have done this so heavily that the original faith seems to be buried under their 'new' rules.

 

This is important to me because I believe that when observing a faith and it's followers one needs to separate the principles of the faith and the practices of the followers.  The two are very seldom the same in my observations.

Comment by Arcus on July 29, 2011 at 12:17pm

@Michelob: You cannot insult an inanimate object or a concept. I can bash rocks or religion as much as I want, there has at least to be a conscious entity to accept an insult. The people who hold religious beliefs I criticize like an adult.

Porco dio! See, no living thing was insulted in the process. :)

Comment by Sassan K. on July 29, 2011 at 12:45pm

I was not a practicing Muslim - but I was "born" a Muslim. Most Iranians are not religious. I have experienced Islam spending considerable amounts of time in Iran. I have studied Islam - the quran, hadiths, and spoken to religious scholars in my times in Iran. I have a good sense and understanding of the underlinings of Islamic conquest ideology and the teachings of the faith.

Islam is inherently violent, anti-women, anti-human rights, anti-democracy, anti-humanity. Islam is the greatest 'evil' facing humanity today.

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