Why believe in a book with no proven fact?

I have to say i have asked christians on what evidence they have that god exists and none of them can give me any factual avidence on the existence of their own beliefs, so why believe in them in the first place?

Also i just posted a video on the main page called changing the oil with jesus, it realy got me in stitches

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Comment by James on June 7, 2009 at 12:00am
Most believe because they had it thrown at them non-stop from an early age. Most of the time once they have you, they have you. As for following a flawed book. Well, most of them don't know. They are taught the sugar coated parts and the rest is ignored. Hard evidence just does not exist, yet that's not why they believe. Quite simply, that's all they've known. The initial questioning of God vs no God was never offered. The more important question is why do they keep believing. Blind faith, fear, family worries, comfort, etc... Actual evidence isn't one I've ever heard. It's always something more personal or simply because "our family always has been".
Comment by Simone Jester on June 7, 2009 at 12:42am
In my most recent debate the main thrust was that we all have a moral sense and therefore god must have put it there. She believes in evolution but would not accept my argument that it makes sense for evolution to produce individuals who will cooperate and empathize. But she also buys into this postmodern nonsense about how "science is based on faith too so you might as well believe what I believe".
Comment by Paul Perry on June 7, 2009 at 7:19am
You have to remember that it's about faith and all that implies; the stronger someone's faith the less they need proof and, indeed, if they can deny evidence that is contrary to their faith then that proves the belief is all the stronger.

The faith needs a focus and there is something in all humans that wants and seeks confirmation if not evidence - I think this is a basic human drive. Even as scientists we cannot start at first principles and must "stand on the shoulders of giants" but we trust the process. In the religious mind the sacred text has achieved the status of, well, scripture, and is considered evidence, however contradictory with itself and reality (hello L. Ron!)

Simone, that's always my dad's ultimate argument; god gives us our morals and therefore is good and therefore gives us our morals. The thing is, I know that he's smart enough to feel uneasy at these circular arguments, but he can't free himself from his obligation to his upbringing.
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on June 7, 2009 at 11:17am
I joined your group on FB and said that I'd quit it if the errors on the description page weren't fixed. You said you'd fix them (and did) but there were still quite a few. I really don't want to be associated with a group that's supposed to promote thoughtful intelligence but can't spell or use punctuation. Get your writing sorted and I might rejoin. If you need help, I'm sure someone here would be willing to proof read it for your (myself included.) Until then, don't expect anyone to take you seriously unless you take yourself seriously enough to double check.
Comment by Reggie on June 7, 2009 at 1:02pm
Paul Perry: "he can't free himself from his obligation to his upbringing". I like this. Sums up quite a lot in a pithy statement.

Misty: A grammar and word Nazi! I like and I agree. I spend quite a lot of time double checking my spelling and even looking up word definitions just to be sure I am using it correctly. Perhaps it is a hereditary manifestation of my mother's obsessive compulsive disorder?
Comment by Theresa on June 7, 2009 at 9:24pm
What makes the bible any more pertinent than any other fictional work, lets say Dr. Seuss books? Surely if we went around quoting Green Eggs and Ham, Theists would think we were absolutely mad. :p
Comment by Dave G on June 8, 2009 at 3:25pm
Upbringing is the most compelling reason, yes. And as Paul said, they have been taught that belief without evidence is a noble virtue.

Shermon, you should, at a minimum, look into using a spell checker. Particularly if you are using Firefox, which has a spell checker built-in, there is no excuse for misspelled words. Grammar is trickier, as grammar checkers are fewer and less accurate, but acquiring the habit of re-reading your post before submitting it will help.

And Misty, just because it's fun to tease you, you used 'your' instead of 'you' in your post. ;)


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