Comment by willailla on June 28, 2010 at 11:25am

Depends on your definition of 'god'. A biblical god is easily dis-proven by logic. Epicurus, for example, did it centuries ago. There never was a creation, if we are to accept the law of the conservation of mass and energy, thus no creator. Peter Hitchens, the religious brother of Christopher Hitchens, believes god always existed, but this belief merely muddies the water. More logical to say the universe always existed [Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is the best], and simple logic demonstrate that the universe is indifferent to we humans, yet, as random as evolution might appear it does demonstrate a rising consciousness from the simple to the complex.

Comment by Adrian Sumayo on June 28, 2010 at 10:31pm

I don't have definition of God. What is God? The closest that we can agree on is "God is an invention that has not been proven by men".

Therefore, there is no God until proven otherwise. To prove the existence of God, we have to define 'God' and also the word 'existence'.

We can't define God on the fly. No one can properly. And it is not right to do so creating many definitions, demonstrating nothing. Based on that, God, then, is an abstract word. If God is a being, then God is an abstract being. Abstract, meaning, apart from concrete experience.

We can call God, nature. Or Nature, God. What then? What is the point of doing that?... See More
Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. Occam's Razor. My point. There is no God.

Comment by Adrian Sumayo on June 28, 2010 at 10:46pm

And yes Sir you are right on evolution. It does demonstrate a rising consciousness from the simple to the complex. But we just have to take it as it is for now. We are still exploring the fact of evolution but we don't need pluralities of unintelligible explanations. What we have for now is what we have for now:The Theory of Evolution. We theorize. We formulate the best explanation from observed facts. Scientific Theories are not absolute truths, but those are the best we have for now. Occam's razor. My Point.

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