Those were just about the first words out of the mouths of the two men standing at my door. That immediately clued me into what they wanted, and amused me somewhat. The JW have gotten a pretty bad reputation if even other door-to-doors are disavowing them.

It was partially what I expected. They weren't so much proselytizing as inviting. Specifically, they were looking for people to invite to their church's bible study and discussion group (Held every other Thursday).

While they didn't seem too surprised at my answer to their first question, (Do you attend one of the local churches? No.) my answer to the second shook them a little. (But you do believe in God, right? Nope.)

Their first 'But...' was the 'look around you at all these things, us, trees, the planet, someone had to make them' argument. They also used a few of the 'The bible made scientific points that no one knew back then' talking points. The classic 'earth suspended over nothing' one came up, but when I brought up the line where the bible talks about the earth being supported on pillars, they changed to another point.

They did bring up one I'd never heard before, though. They took the part of Genesis where God says that Eve's seed is cursed (as is the snake's), and claimed that that was foreknowledge of biology, as people used to believe that the woman was just an incubator and the seed came just from men, not from women. Sadly, I didn't have my bible handy, so I couldn't check the verse and point out that it wasn't talking about there being both male and female seed as they were asserting. (The other seed being talked about being the snake's)

We talked for about 20 minutes, with them bringing up a talking point, and my pointing out the flaws I saw in it, or pointing out where they were getting their science wrong. Evolution, abiogenesis (which they'd never heard of), cosmology (Big bang in particular), and planetary formations all came up in the conversation. I even had to correct them on the age of the Bible, which they thought was written 6000 years ago. I think they got their 'age of the earth' and 'age of the bible' mixed up.

Eventually, they said that they had to go, and left. I invited them to come back whenever they wanted to have another chat. Despite my being friendly and cheerful the entire conversation, I somehow doubt that they'll return.


And I never did get invited to that bible study group...

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Comment by Morgan Matthew on May 6, 2009 at 12:01am

Comment by River Otter on May 6, 2009 at 11:21pm
Oh gosh! I would be almost tempted to attend bible study with my highlighted bible. I would ROCK that classroom! I bet I wouldn't get asked back.
Comment by Rev. Tom Hicks, D.D. on May 7, 2009 at 7:50am
I'm with River Otter. I would go with my highlighted bible & eventually get thrown out.
Comment by Stephen Fisher on May 10, 2009 at 5:05am
Sooo.... In the beginning.... God created the Heavens and the Earth... as well as the Holy Bible? That sure puts a whole new spin on things! heh
Comment by elaine kilshaw on May 10, 2009 at 6:48am
i welcome this type of caller. I dont let them hardly get a word in just putting my point of view over and as you say of course they do not have a good argument against what i say and just refer to the bible. which is their easy answer.
If I do not have time to talk I just say 'hold on I,ll just get my bible and then return with 'God Delusion.. End of conversation.
Comment by elaine kilshaw on May 10, 2009 at 6:49am
i welcome this type of caller. I dont let them hardly get a word in just putting my point of view over and as you say of course they do not have a good argument against what i say and just refer to the bible. which is their easy answer.
If I do not have time to talk I just say 'hold on I,ll just get my bible and then return with 'God Delusion.. End of conversation.
Comment by Carmela Ramos on June 22, 2009 at 4:59pm
Did you even get your copy of The Watchtower??? lol
Comment by Dave G on June 22, 2009 at 5:04pm
*grin* Nope. Not even a token miniaturized New Testament.

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