This has been going on since I was at school here in the UK (about 8 years... hmm feel old saying that) and suffice to say I'm tired of it.
First they said the Muslims wanted it changed, none of the Muslims I knew gave a rats ass about it being called Christmas! Some celebrated the traditional side of the festivities even.
Now, it's just general political correctness with a side of "it's the atheists!" throw in after the bus campaigns this year.
Next year? How about we blame global warming, or whatever hot topic is around that year just to drive the wagon to change the name of Christmas.


Who cares. Seriously...
I'm all for like respect of peoples beliefs. I don't care of individuals choose to celebrate Christmas or not... or how they celebrate it. If you want to go to your churches Christmas service - fine, if you want to go to mass - fine, if you want to just do the traditional stuff - fine, or however you do it in your country or family.

Sure, it can get a bit commercialised where stores sell... well quite silly things really, but simply don't buy them and they won't be around next year.
Lights everywhere, Christmas trees, presents, Christmas dinner, etc... will any of this and a persons family traditions really change if we change this celebrations name? My bet is on "No".
Don't want "Christmas" on cards and things... then buy ones that say "Seasons Greetings" - the more of those you buy, the more that will be supplied next year. It's supply and demand.

There is one more thing that bugs me about this - everyone always ends up talking about how Christmas is about spending time with people you care about. Some people don't have that option, they are - they are alone in multiple ways and places - at home, on the streets, in hospital. People could be helping them or even putting energy into making the ones their care about feel loved or renew their efforts in that relationship. Think about how many people could feel loved if people who have time to argue about this, spent that time reaching out and changed real lives and not just a name.

I don't know the stats, but Christmas time is a big time for people who are depressed and thinking of committing suicide - there are one of two extremes for these people, they either feel incredibly isolated or very loved for a while, imagine if one person dies every time this argument gets a mention.
And although my meaning was good in writing this, now you've read it all... another person may have committed suicide.

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Comment by Doug Reardon on December 12, 2009 at 7:34pm
Actually, Christmas is not a big time for people to commit suicide, May wins that honor, at least in the northern hemisphere..
Comment by Alison Rufus on December 12, 2009 at 8:04pm
Fair point, didn't phase that very well... Let me re-write that. I just wrote this off the top of my head.
Comment by Alison Rufus on December 12, 2009 at 8:08pm
There we go, sorry it wasn't meant to sound like Christmas is the time when people commit suicide the most hence the I don't know the stats.
My wording was crap upon re-reading it, hope that makes it clearer!
Comment by Shine on December 13, 2009 at 10:00am
Think about how many people could feel loved if people who have time to argue about this, spent that time reaching out and changed real lives and not just a name.

But how much time did you spend typing up this argument? If you think that it is a waste of time to argue such a trivial matter, why didn't you spend it comforting someone instead?

Lights everywhere, Christmas trees, presents, Christmas dinner, etc... will any of this and a persons family traditions really change if we change this celebrations name? My bet is on "No".

If the name "Christmas" is so unimportant and does not affect the actual celebration of the holiday, then why is it so important to keep it? Your argument that the name "Christmas" is meaningless invalidates your own defense of the keeping the name. If it doesn't matter, why not just let it go and change the name?

My point is that it takes two parties to argue. If you are asserting that it is a giant waste of time to argue over this, then the defenders of the name "Christmas" could just as easily end the argument as those who protest its usage.

imagine if one person dies every time this argument gets a mention.
And although my meaning was good in writing this, now you've read it all... another person may have committed suicide.


Wait, what? Are you really trying to establish (even in speculation) a causal link between a movement to secularize the holiday season and suicide? Even though I have a treasure trove of Catholic guilt still stored up, this is just too nonsensical to tug at my penitent heartstrings.
Comment by Alison Rufus on December 13, 2009 at 3:45pm
First of all Shine, I am making a point - someone has to stand up and cry bullshit.
Secondly, I couldn't care if they "officially" change the name... I guess for me, I will call it Christmas because that's what I'm accustomed to anyway. My whole point is the arguement is silly.
Lastly - No, I'm not. I'm suggesting that if people spent a little less time of stupid name issues and more time on real issues - suicide is the one I chose.

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