Much fodder is made about how humans treat animals. You’ll hear arguments about how we humans are animals (agreed) as if that means that we should be treating them as friends. I would argue that because we are animals, we should be treating them better than they would treat us. Considering many animals in the wild
would simply kill us, use what they want, then leave the carcass behind for the next creature, our use of animals is far more ethical than their use of us.That being, we are living up to a higher standard.

Vegans don’t want to use any animal products for any purpose as they believe that it’s
not ethical. Milk, eggs, leather, fur, all the obvious targets. But what would
it really take to be a true Vegan, and what would that mean for modern society
and the environment? Like most topics in the world, it’s not as black and white
and as simple as saying Meat is Murder since 1985.

When I think about Chickens, I think of eggs and meat. I eat both. This morning I had
scrambled eggs, Sausage Patties made out of Textured Vegetable Protien (Morning
Star) and Hash Browns. It was a vegetarian meal as a matter of fact. But it’s
shallow and narrow to picture chickens as just food sources. Chicken eggs are
used to incubate pharmaceuticals. The Flu Vaccine is incubated in eggs which
would be a violation of Vegan ethics even though it may arguably prevent the
deaths of 187,500 to 375,000 (250,000 to 500,000 deaths per year with a 75%
effective rate) people a year. Link Sounds like a good argument to me. It’s so
wrong to use a chicken egg that up to 375,000 people a year should die. This is
not unlike the embryonic stem cell argument at all, is it?

More over in Chickens, their billions of pounds of feathers are being used to create
new clothes. The feathers trap air better than regular cotton and make them
particularly warm. This will save billions of gallons of water in cotton
production as well as tens of thousands of gallons in cotton production from
the farm to the factory with a renewable product. Potentially the feathers can
be made into plastics as well which will again lower oil production
requirements. I suppose this is the height of immorality.

How about Pigs? I’m going to give an entirely too short synopsis of this great 8
minute TED Talk about the many uses of pigs. There are 189 commercial uses for
pigs. Many of them are not even food related. Ever heard of a pig heart valve?
How many lives have been saved by pig heart valves being installed since 1975?
How many people are alive due to pig derived insulin for Diabetics? Train
brakes, Bullets, paint, sandpaper, paint brushes, soaps, shampoo, toothpaste,
breads, cellular concrete in roads, beer, wine, juice, etc. The fact is, you use pigs daily. It doesn’t matter if you are vegan or Muslim, you are surrounded by them. Would a Vegan suggest killing this pig for the valve and not eating or using it in any other way? Video

Cows have 81 uses that also surround you. Sheetrock, adhesives, glass, imitation eggs, etc. Imitation Eggs. That’s awesome. You try to actually become a vegan
only to find that you are eating cow products. You couldn’t even escape using
cows if you wanted to.

Animal use in and of itself is not an immoral thing. We are animals and many chose to
ignore this for reasons that I do not understand. By this fact alone, we are
not held to a higher standard that other animals. Nevertheless, we do act with the
intent of using the entirety of the animal that we slaughter. If you were
killed by a tiger, he isn’t going to turn your bones into glue, he’s going to
leave your bones behind with no intention of using them and the use of those
bones by others is incidental.

What would be immoral is to not eat the meat or eggs of the animal but need to
slaughter them simply for soap, or the sheen found in paint, or the sheet rock
it sits upon. When you suggest that it’s immoral to use animals for heart
valves, diabetic insulin, or the other 300 (made up number) uses, you are
frankly suggesting that either we change our way of life or potentially that
people should be dying in support of an opinion. The person making the claim
that animal users are immoral need to come up with solutions for each and every
one of the other problems. You are welcome to a vegan diet if you choose. You
are welcome to advocate it for health reasons. But it’s disingenuous to say no
meat, no leather and pat yourself on the back because you only have 298 more
problems to go or you’ve only made the animal less valuable and more susceptible
to maltreatment. Th
e problem requires much more than a simple heart string tug solution,
that is, if you actually care about animals.

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Comment by Gaytor on November 11, 2010 at 10:04am
Mike Tyson in the Interview, "Does eating Lennox Lewis' heart or children count as animal? No. Then I'm a vegan."

I would simply challenge the stats. The high side (1.4%) of what wiki sources is a Vegetarian Journal cited national poll from 2006.
The low side was less than 1% Vegan as estimated by the ADA. At the end of the paper they do note that dietary practices can be healthy.
Or completely non-scietifically, Time/CNN Poll has it at .2%. This graphic is of those that identified as vegetarian, and for me the reason of health as the motivator stands out at 32%. Can we call it scientific because it supports my argument? Pretty please!
Comment by Gaytor on November 11, 2010 at 10:33am
Just thought of something... Can Catholics, who faithfully believe, say they are free from meat if they eat the Eucharist?
Comment by Sydni Moser on November 11, 2010 at 11:11am
As a personal aside, a friend who has been an book editor in NYC for 30+ years told me that the most popular books selling these days of all books her publishing house is putting out is:

1. Vegan Cookbooks
2. Vegetarian Cookbooks
3. Glutton Free Cookbooks

I think that people are starting to at least consider eating less meat on the whole, since there has been a tremendous infusion of articles and information out here over the past few years discussing how meat impacts our health, the environment, and of course the horrific suffering of animals on factory farms. I bet that the stats from 2006 are higher now for those claiming to be vegetarian & vegan, and that many more are trying to cook without meat for some of their meals. Change is happening, slowly, but still....
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on November 12, 2010 at 10:45pm
If it's slower than me and I'm hungry enough, it's a food source.
There are a few exceptions, of course.
1) My dog.
Or anything else that has come to trust me. If it's a friend, it isn't food.
2) If it's endangered or from a population that will be negatively impacted by culling.
3) If it isn't edible.

In our household, we only eat meat a few times a week because meat is way more expensive than fresh produce. Also because I tax my body well enough with my other hobbies. I fully admit that the less meat you eat, the better your health will be (all moderation considered, of course.) I do not consider vegan to be particularly healthy.)
I'm in great shape and would like to keep things that way, however, life is short. If something looks yummy and I want to experience it, I'm going to do just that.

I also don't agree with the idea of being "environmentally" friendlier by being vegetarian.
What's the carbon footprint of that banana you're about to eat? Probably a hell of a lot nastier than this chicken that I bought from the farmer's market.Your fruit got flown in from another country. The chicken I just bought was raised in some guy's backyard less than 20 miles away.
Oh. And I'm not reproducing. That means no matter how hippy you are, I still win. My impact on this earth will be a whole lot less by this one lifestyle choice I make than all of yours put together.
I also don't think it's murder to eat meat. I don't believe my life is more sacred than a cow's...because I don't believe life itself is sacred. There is no god. That means there is no immortal soul or breath of life or spark of the cube or whatever. Every time you drink water, or inhale or move, you are killing something. Death isn't a game changer for me.
However, I don't condone suffering.
Nothing should have to spend it's life in a cage. Nothing should be tortured.
I don't contribute to any businesses that conduct themselves in this way. My meat comes from sources I feel meet an ethical standard that I'm ok with.

All things in moderation....including moderation!
Comment by Gaytor on November 22, 2010 at 4:34pm
So, I didn't want to start another discussion or blog on this topic, but I ran across something very interesting on Reddit. It's a Vegan Blogger whom ran into health problems on a strict Vegan diet after 3.5 years. She fought the doctor and didn't even want to take iron pills because they weren't Vegan. A stalwart. But she has since had to relent and eat meat. In reading the comments, not all of them because good god this is long, there are many whom appreciate the healthy eating but have to mix some meat in and didn't realize that they were suffering until they added eggs or fish back to their diet.

It's a long post, but well written and interesting. For me it leads to questions about our different evolutionary paths. Like I can chug milk with no issues since I'm virtually half Danish, but my Mom who is largely Indian (native) can just have a little ice cream before she experiences lactose intolerance. So, that's what strikes me about it. She does make a comment that resonates with me when we stay with friends whom are vegetarian and I eat that way for days... hunger. So anyways, just a blog on the same topic for those interested and still following. Link


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