Comment by jared manley on January 5, 2013 at 7:33pm

 I agree completely Kim. Thank you for putting this up for discussion.

 The label feminism -I think - creates an "Us vs Them" sort of atmosphere. Where as I am all for equal right I'm not always for naturally exclusive labels. In certain cases such as Atheism -lets face it -its not a a sexist word I don't mind the label but there is an inherent hypocrisy in the word feminist. I know that -for instance -Joss Whedon has referred to himself as a feminist but I think he goes about it in such a way that most of us can approve. Other "male feminists" that I've met are pretty much the epitome of what you described in this post. -Anyway I very much prefer terms like "equal rights" and "equality". As to not promote this super negative sense of entitlement.

 I've seen some pretty bad seeds too. Unfortunately there is a lady in my social circle (not my friend) who when she hears a male say the word bitch she will most likely punch him. I mean literally assault the guy regardless of the context he is using it in. I've never seen her punch a female for using it though and never anyone that would actually hit her back. That is a pretty psychotic twist. There seems to be a lot of these feminists that just sit around waiting for some guy to step out of line or twist a particular scenario and whats worse is that the people that see it happen are just like "oh thats so'n'so, She's a feminist, thats just what she believes". There's that sacred belief system again. It shouldn't be questioned. Oh no. Why not because in an ideal world ... blah blah blah blah blah...

 BTW I'm pulling a Hitch smoking cigarettes and drinking black label. I feel "entitled" to rant. ;)

Comment by SteveInCO on January 5, 2013 at 8:25pm

When feminism was just about equal rights I was fine with it--more than that I positively approved; but it has gone po-mo (post modernist) and in that form is just bat shit crazy.  The video you link to shows the absurdity of their arguments and the hypocrisy of these people.

They've gone so far as to form a group called Atheism Plus, hijacking the red A logo, putting a plus sign on it and trying underhandedly to claim that their bullshit is a logical consequence of atheism.  "You are an atheist? Oh, well of course you will be interested in 'social justice' too"  ('social justice' being one of their code words--what's most important to them is not individuals but what one of the groups they have defined that you are in and noGod help you if you are in the wrong one, no matter what you personally have done or not done.)

Comment by SteveInCO on January 5, 2013 at 8:28pm

http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/atheist-plus-or?

If memory serves most people were not in favor.

Comment by Doug Reardon on January 6, 2013 at 3:04pm

So much for atheist being sane and rational!

Comment by Nate Lundgren on January 6, 2013 at 4:55pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA Some interesting things to think about. I like her perspective on a lot of issues. She has a lot of good videos that go in depth on feminism, men's rights, gender equality, etc.

Comment by Kim on January 6, 2013 at 4:58pm

Comment by jared manley on January 6, 2013 at 5:41pm

@ nate That was a great vid.

Comment by Obfuskation on January 6, 2013 at 5:48pm

Kim, I agree with you (and thunderfoot) on this.  I see the majority of the “atheist community” as supportive of gender equality.  Unfortunately, there are a few popular figures in the “community” who have bought into radical feminism, and have been beating the drum on their dogmas of rape culture and patriarchy theory, and have been hyping rape statistics from a study that has been long discredited.

The main support has been coming from places like Freethought Blogs and it’s mutant spawn Atheism+.  Fortunately, both have been received a fair amount of pushback for their propagation of faith-based social pseudo-science, and are in decline because of it.  A+ has reduced itself to a couple dozen misfits vomiting cerebral sewage into each other’s mouths, and the handful of blogs from FtB that have been pushing the radfem agenda are slowly following the same arc.  It’s too bad about FtB, because they have some excellent bloggers there.  I’m a big fan of AronRa, Christina Rad, and NonStampCollector.

On the upside, when you consider the backlash against these people, and the fact that many of them seem to be either professional victims or charlatans who are using the situation for income and/or blog hits, there is a comfort that reason will eventually prevail.

Comment by Obfuskation on January 6, 2013 at 5:49pm

Thanks for the vid Nate.  GWW has a lot of good stuff.

Comment by RobertPiano on January 6, 2013 at 6:43pm

As my atheist girlfriend puts it "men and woman are different, what's the big deal, it's your turn, btw". Then she ties me up.

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