There will never be a global reform so get over it.

What year is it and why?

Our year is based on the existance of Christ and there is no foreseeable reason for us to change that.

2000 years from now it will be the year 4011.

I don't expect for life to exist by then for there are to many 'mistakes' happening now for it to continue.

Not the point. Christianity is etched upon global society for eternity, Even if you are of differing faiths, you are likely to go by the calander arranged and compiled over 2000 years ago.One based on Christ. 

This Athiest clubhouse will get new members and probably loses them just as fast. I don't know,(I'm blogging)

It's just that society today revolves around a system of resources that has been buried in time and sand. Yet every day now we have the equivalent(exponentially) of a printing press device like invention. Nothing is going to  impact upon the human psyche or "spirit" like the bible did. Maybe if Steve Jobs died and came back we could be enlightened, but there will never be an "Athiest Reformation" to a global extent as the one resulting from the printing press.

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Comment by Steve on June 8, 2011 at 10:55am
America is an anomaly. In Western Europe, people are leaving the church very steadily. In many countries there non-religious people are in the majority or make up nearly half the population. Or at least they don't take it very seriously. Many go to church for baptisms, weddings, funerals and maybe for Christmas. But that's about it. The church going population is becoming increasingly older. You have some politicians bringing up god now and then, but in everyday life, religion isn't really discussed. Being indifferent towards religion is almost a default position for younger people.
Comment by Bryan B on June 8, 2011 at 11:09am

Bill are you psychic? You can forsee that Christianity is here for good? Basing your predictions on the calender introduced by Pope Gregory the XIII about 500 years ago is not going to convince anyone. Even if you could predict the future and no one, not even you, can do that..

Additionally your post reeks of the gloom and doom typical of the heavily religious  "I don't expect for life to exist by then for there are to many 'mistakes' happening now for it to continue."

"Nothing is going to  impact upon the human psyche or "spirit" like the bible did." Some truth to that but most of us now know that the bible's impact wasn't a good thing (racism, slavery, homophobia, tyranny, genital mutilation and so on)

Comment by Jon van Rooyen on June 8, 2011 at 11:42am

I respectfully disagree with you Bill. I can see lots of reasons why we may see an end to the leading religions of today, if not all religion. If you look at history, it appears that there have been waves of dominant religions, most pre-dating Christianity by thousands of years. A prime example is the ancient Greek or Roman religions.

We are also in an age where the knowledge of our universe and our advances in technology are expanding exponentially. Perhaps, the reason we are seeing quite a lot of polarisation between the different (leading) faith systems as well as an increase in atheism and humanism, is because "the old appeals to racial, sexual, religious chauvinism and to rabid nationalist fervor are beginning not to work" (to quote my role model, Carl Sagan :P). The more we discover scientifically, the more our (humanity's) chances of perhaps seeing a world reformed from superstition and dogma increases.

I think our responsibility as atheists is to continue keeping it real, and keep helping towards growing a rational civilization. Who knows what wonderful secrets we may uncover the more the world adopts this a reality based view. :)

Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on June 8, 2011 at 1:23pm
I bet that is what the Mayans said.
Their calander ends soon, too!
Comment by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on June 8, 2011 at 3:13pm

No doubt that Christianity is etched on society. They tell us they are practicing the separation of church and state, psshh who are they trying to fool? I can see that there will not be an Atheist Reformation, in my time, but at the same time I have to disagree with you. I say this because technology is getting pretty advanced. They are taking down the Hubble telescope soon and putting a better one up hat can see inside distant planets and test the chemicals it holds. Saying this, I believe that science will have its glory over religion and put MORE proof that god doesnt exist. But then, coming back to agreeing with you, there will always be those religious fanatics saying that "well he works in mysterious ways" or "he exists, you just havent found him yet". Those are the people in denial.

And Jon, you also make a good point but like Bill said, Christianity has had such a big impact on society that it may never cease to exist. It may loose a lot of followers, but it will not totally disappear and be prove false. You will always have people who believe in science fiction novels like the bible ;) Haha.

Comment by Lee Davis on June 8, 2011 at 3:19pm
"Never" is a long time, Bill, unless you have some thoughts about the world ending prior to that. What will happen to religion in the long term is as much a matter of speculation for you as it is for us. At any rate, the long-range durability of man-made institutions, and I include Christianity among those, has yet to be proven. Sand is not the firmest of foundations, after all.
Comment by Jon van Rooyen on June 8, 2011 at 3:51pm

I do agree that christianity, along with islam and judaism have had a huge impact on society. I think that the old pagan religions of ancient Greece and Rome also had quite an impact on society and we do still have some remnants of those old religions hanging around today. Take the months July and August. Both were named after Julius and Augustus Caesar. Julius Caesar considered himself a deity to be worshiped along with the other pagan gods of his time. Venus, Mars and Jupiter are, as I'm sure you all know (forgive me for being obvious) named after ancient pagan gods from that time as well. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the planets and the gods mentioned were considered one and the same back then.

While I recognize that we may not see the end of the major "trinity" of religions today, in our lifetime, I do think that there will possibly be a time in the future where they too come to be viewed as we view the ancient Greek and Roman religions. People will study it as part of a history course rather than "Religious Studies".

I may sound like an idealist, and I'm the first to admit willingly that I probably am, but I guess if nothing else, I'm just expressing a hope that one day, we humans will come to realise that we are one species on a pale speck of dust in comparative scale of the vast cosmos we belong to. And perhaps, just one day, we may all, as one, be inspired to go out a look for the answers to our "I don't know" questions instead of trying to fill those gaps with bedtime stories to make us feel better.

Yes, I'm a sap, but I like it! :D

Comment by Sassan K. on June 8, 2011 at 6:25pm
I totally disagree. Those countries with higher levels of education and more value placed on such, there is a much higher atheist % ratio. All we have to do is look at Europe and for example notice that 25% of the British populace are atheist. If we as mankind survive the perils of nuclear holocaust and war; then religion is surely at its end as a major player. It already has become less and it only takes a couple of generations to die out and the advancement of science for the majority of the western world to be atheist.
Comment by AntiChristianLeague on June 8, 2011 at 8:22pm

I'll admit, as I was reading the post and replies, I felt pretty gloomy. I thought about the vast number of people who have had to spend their entire lives in the wasteland of religious delusion, the royal fuck up of humanity that has led to far more suffering than we can properly describe... *That* is why I continue to hope that one day religious belief will be the minority in this world, or better yet, cease to exist entirely. 

Nobody can predict the future, but we can dream. We can choose to sit idle, while whining about the things we wish we could change, or we can choose to do something about it.

Comment by Sassan K. on June 8, 2011 at 11:19pm
Like I said, look how religious U.K. was and look at it today. I think the U.S. generally tends to be behind the U.K. by 15-20 years intellectually.


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