Here are some of the Sunni/Shia' issues from my own perspective.

Well, as far as we know that thses issues are the most complicated issues in Islam..

I'll write here some few information about this mess..

~One of the issues here is: Who's going to be a Caliph after the death of Muhammed Sunnis say: Muhammed chose Abu Bakr as a Caliph.. Shia say: Muhammed chose Ali as a Caliph..

~ Another issue: the hatred turned worse at time of the Caliph Uthman ibn Affan... Sunnis say: that this problem was made up by a Jewish man named Abdullah Ibn Saba, who felt that it was a good opportunity to accomplish their aims of rebellion by starting arguments over religion. While Shia say: that this problem was made up by a Jewish man named Ka'ab al-Ahbar for the same reason too.

~Again, the battle of Jamal as a result of Caliph Uthman's murder.

Here is video of a moderate Shia cleric trying to mitigate the hatred between Shi'a and Sunni.. In this video he was talking about the battle of Jamal...I'm not sure if he's telling the truth or not!! Since I'm from a Sunni background, they told us not to trust them *because of the (Taqyyia) thing* Haha! :P

All what I know is that cleric is trying to mitigate the hatred and condemning those other Shia' clerics who insult the companions of the prophet Muhammad..

~Note that insulting the companions of the prophet is considered a blasphemy in Sunnism~

Those Shia muslims who are influenced by their clerics who insult the companions of Muhammad, are involved in that sectarian violence and vice versa.

~Note That both moderate Shia and Sunni clerics are being attacked by fundamentalists muslims from both two sects! Just for what they saying, and just for being moderates~

*Another issue: Which is all these conflicts that occurred at the time of the Caliph Ali ibn Abi Talib and after his death..There was a political dispute between Ali and Muawiyah which lead to many battles and blood shade..

Ali ibn Abi Talib was murdered and then, and his son Hussein ibn Ali was about to be set as a Caliph but died at the battle of Karbala..

The end..

I have tried to summarize that story as much as I can!

And yes! Homo sapiens are terrible species!

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Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on September 14, 2012 at 3:45pm

as-salam alaykum Hope - Here is another video (English) which is worth watching. Would it be correct to say that the major historical differences are political rather than over any particular religious dogma? When it comes to violence both sides claim to be moderates fighting against extremists. Sounds much like what I heard growing up in Ireland with the interfaith violence between Protestants and Catholics. (please correct my Arabic if incorrect as I am trying to learn a little).

Comment by Hope on September 14, 2012 at 3:57pm

wa alaikum as salaam Reg..

Your Arabic is good..

As-Salamu Alaykum is an islamic greeting = means peace be upon you.

Wa Alaikum as-Salam = and upon you be peace.

Also, Marhaba means hello.. Arabic greeting.

This video has a lot of information too! Thank you for sharing.

Comment by Arcus on September 14, 2012 at 4:08pm

Good info, please provide more as most here are Westerners and there's a lot about the Muslim world which completely flies under the radar.


A personal anecdote I have is from around a year ago, when one friend of mine brought an Israeli friend of his to a party while another one brought a Lebanese friend of his. We were really worried that WW3 was going to break out, but they turned out to be from Northern Israel and Southern Lebanon and could thus relate to a lot. It turned out that both were pretty much non-religious, and actually agreed that the problems in the area were the combination of crazy Shias and cavemen Palestinians "fucking shit up". To say the least, it was a refreshing perspective on the situation in the Levant, and it's not everyday that a Jew and a Sunni can render the presupposed animosity moot by a combination on sweet Czech beer and weed (and women). 

Comment by Random Cairene on September 14, 2012 at 6:22pm

The Main conflict between the Sunni and the Shia'a started to appear after the death of Omar when Ubeid Allah son of Omar Ibn El-khatab started to kill whose he thought to have murdered his father including an innocent man and the little daughter of Abou Lo'lo'a the killer.

Ubeid was captured and held in custody .. he was supposed to be killed for murdering an innocent soul as the islamic law declares but instead he was set free by Othman the new Caliph after paying a ransom out of his own money.

That incident was the spark that started the conflict along with other incidents that lead to questioning the authority of the Caliph (Othman) and the previous ones as well (Abo bakr & Omar) .. things ended up with a revolution and the murder of Othman and declaring Ali to be a Caliph who did the same mistake that Othman did and didn't trial those who killed Othamn and kept them free. that caused more wars and more rage.

These were the declared reasons of course , but like all the wars in human history it was about men seeking more power.

Taha Hussein wrote a wonderful book about that era named The Great Upheaval i recommend if u guys can find it and read it .. it's very interesting to know how it all began.

Comment by Hope on September 14, 2012 at 11:53pm

Thank you Marvel.

@Arcus, Check out this link here to read the whole story.

Comment by Doug Reardon on September 15, 2012 at 11:25am

I was raised Catholic, and Martin Luther was an evil man.  In the seventh grade I transferred to the public schools and Martin Luther was revered.  Our Catholic Protestant split is not much different.

Comment by Hope on September 15, 2012 at 6:27pm

@Doug.. Yeah, sure.. The catholic-protestant conflict is another mess too!

Comment by Hathal Alqassab on September 16, 2012 at 7:18pm

Those were good points that you made hope. The whole sunni-shia divide started because of a quest for power. This is the brutal truth that most on either side can not digest easily. This is not different from the divisions one can find in other religions. 

Comment by Kir Komrik on November 4, 2012 at 3:29am


the (Taqyyia) thing* Haha! :P


All what I know is that cleric is trying to mitigate the hatred and condemning those other Shia' clerics who insult the companions of the prophet Muhammad..

~Note that insulting the companions of the prophet is considered a blasphemy in Sunnism~

But wouldn't this be a necessary component of Sunnism if they accept the lineage of ... companions? Shia follow the bloodline of Mohammed, so I'd think this would have to be the case in order for the Sunni dogma to be consistent.

- kk


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