Christians like William Lane Craig argue that their god’s existence is proved by the existence of the universe.  It’s complexity, they say, requires a creator and that creator must be an infinite supernatural being.  An atheist will ask “And who created this god?” and the Christian will reply:  “God has no need of a creator because he is eternal.”  


There are other objections to this tired argument.  Recently, an anonymous atheist voiced this objection: 

If the universe is too complex not to have been designed, then God is also too complex not to have been designed. A creator-god is never portrayed as something simple or, more importantly, something simpler than the universe. If this god is at least as complex as the universe, then it needs a designer and creator at least as much as the universe.”


An Orthodox Christian took exception to this and answered with this simply extraordinary apologetic: 


A creator god is never portrayed as something simple..


Portrayed by whom? Not Orthodox Christians, I hope! Because,God is utterly simple.


God is one God in three persons. That is not complex. It is either true or impossible. God is eternal. That is not complex, but either true or impossible. God designed everything else. That is not complex either.


What makes even men design is not a complexity within them, but a simplicity, which by design they translate onto the complexity of outer existence. When I design even a sudoku, at nearly any stage of the design, the things already designed into the sudoku are more complex than my designing mind. Any sudoku I make –


I will give you one sudoku solution, I have not yet "hidden" squares on it - I have only two things "in my head" and God knows what on the paper:”


True to his promise, the blogger produces his evidence:  a Sudoku solution with no grid lines. 


This is April the second, folks.   If you want to examine the evidence you will find it here:    


So, are you convinced?  If so, of what are you convinced?  





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Comment by CJoe on April 2, 2011 at 6:19pm

lol... my main issue with Mr Apologist is that he's saying God is simple. The mind of God is supposedly "unfathomable". No utterance in the Bible would support the idea that God is "simple", and he would certainly not be portrayed as more simple than the construction of the universe. This is just their way of constantly moving the goal post.

In another conversation, the very same man would insist on the complexity of God... because God is always, always, always said to be beyond our understanding. Human kind understands quite a lot about the universe, and much of what we know is vastly complex. Comparing God to a sudoku puzzle, I think, should be really insulting to any devout Christian.

Comment by MikeTheInfidel on April 2, 2011 at 6:37pm

A computer's existence is either true or impossible. Therefore, a computer is simple.


hmm, no, that doesn't work at all.

Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 2, 2011 at 8:15pm
Comment by Heather Spoonheim on April 2, 2011 at 8:39pm
Yes, the repeated, "It is true or impossible"  dichotomy sort of obfuscates the issue.  He then goes on without discussing how orthodox Christianity portrays god.  Finally, he employs the 'Chewbacca defense' by talking about sudoku.  If his point was to show that his mind was simpler than a sudoku puzzle than I am convinced that he failed.  I might suggest, however, that it could be logically proven that a sudoku puzzle itself is either 'true or impossible'.
Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on April 2, 2011 at 8:51pm
I am actually not at all sure that he did not demonstrate that his mind is simpler than a sudoku puzzle :-)
Comment by Lisa on April 3, 2011 at 12:09am

If god can be eternal, why can't the universe be eternal or whatever started the universe.  This singularity itself could be "god" in a sense, or a spark from a parallel universe.  There are too many "what if's" to settle on the sky fairy.  



Comment by Eoganacht on April 3, 2011 at 12:46am
And then they assume that it is THEIR god that was that supernatural being rather than the FSM.
Comment by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on April 3, 2011 at 7:17pm

The mind is simple?! BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA!!! I'm a psychology major and the SCIENTISTS still don't know a lot about the way the mind works. ROFLMFAO!!

He just exploded his entire argument with that one little statement!

Only an apologist!

Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on April 3, 2011 at 7:38pm

I'm a neuro-psychologist, so it wasn't lost on me either.  However, I have had experience with simple-minded people. 


In his case, I suspect we're looking at paranoid schizophrenia.  The knight's jump thinking is apparent in what he writes and the delusions are weird. 


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