The SIN TAX...a little rant by Robyn

There are many problems with our government as I see it today. Where to begin, is another story. I have chosen to criticize the “Sin” Tax today. It actually scares me that nobody has made an effort to exploit this pointless tax. For most who don’t know what this is, allow me to explain. The sin tax is a tax on certain items that the government rules, “…socially-proscribed goods- mainly alcohol and tobacco.” Socially-harmful goods, in other words…sinful-goods. Therefore, giving us our sin tax. Sinners! I thought religion was supposed to be separate government and yet they named the tax on these certain items the “sin”tax. We aren’t even allowed to vote on this tax!!!!! There’s nothing fair about it.

Okay, I may be an extremist and all but can anyone tell me where the line is? How much is a fair tax? Is a tax even the morally correct thing to do? I mean after all, they tried to ban alcohol (prohibition) and that gave birth to the black market. Don’t get me wrong; both of these legal killers are luxuries. But who decides whether they are “evil?” What about these people who buy things without any way to pay for them? What tax is that? The, I’m a Broke-Ass Tax? What about the people who sell their bodies? The, Who Can I Screw-Tax? What about the people who get plastic surgery when then don’t need it? I know, the Low-Self Esteem Tax. What about the people who eat until they are obese? A, You’re a Fat Ass Tax, perhaps? What if one person’s chocolate was equivalent to one person’s martini after work? How can you tax that? It’s more like who the fuck do you think you are? I should be able to enjoy the little luxuries after working a full day’s work, and on top of that, paying the taxes for that too!

This is supposed to be the land of the free…but you can’t do anything for free here…even if you pay for it. They’ll tax you!

They do not deny alcoholics rehab or therapy or even healthcare. What rehab is offered for smokers? A couple of support phone numbers you can call and discuss your smoking habit. Really? They have never tried to ban tobacco, yet they deny smokers healthcare and such. The government promotes and profits greatly from both of these products and yet the smokers are ostracized. In fact, the government was the driving force behind the propaganda following the marketing of cigarettes. The taxes on both have just gone up. Therefore putting them into the category of “socially-proscribed” makes sense; however, there should be more than 2 things on that list.

The truth is that the government could give a crap less when or how we choose to kill ourselves. By manipulating the religious community, they have become empowered to label things freely as “sinful.” In a way, if you pay the tax, then everything is okay, and you can confess your sin on Sunday. What are they going to tax next?It’s all bullshit if you ask me.

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Comment by River Otter on April 7, 2009 at 3:21pm
I am completely with you on this subject. I have even said that there should be a sin tax for vanity. Obesity should be taxed too.

I think it is time the church starts owning up on it's tax. With all of the billions of dollars it brings in, the country could benefit from it. I am tired of supporting their asses, especially when I think their religion is harmful to humanity.

This "sin" tax pisses me off.
Comment by Cara Coleen on April 7, 2009 at 4:50pm
Ha... kudos to you. Hey, in Vegas prostitution is legal and they DO get taxed. Personally, I think that's pretty messed up. What right does the government have to make a profit off someone's body?! Seriously? I mean. In a way, prostitution is similar to "gold digging", but no one taxes those free-loading women who mooch off rich men.

It's all pretty messed up.
Comment by Kat Cooper on April 7, 2009 at 6:00pm
I totally agree with you.
And the funny thing about Sin Taxes, they end up never gaining the amount of revenue that the states who propose these taxes estimate or hope for.
When you tax cigs, all forms of tobacco, and alcohol, organized crime goes up, people will go out of their way to find these items cheaper even if it means driving to other states, or breaking the law by buying them on the black market.

These are some facts on what happens when states impose a sin tax.

STATES OFTEN COLLECT LESS REVENUE THAN PROJECTED - When cigarette taxes go up, smokers increasingly find ways to evade paying the higher prices. They order from online sources, buy from black-market dealers or drive across the border to a neighboring state with lower prices. Not only do those lost sales hurt legitimate store owners, the state loses out on the taxes from those sales. Consequently, states routinely find that they do not
collect nearly as much from a cigarette tax increase as they expected. For
example, the state of Tennessee has collected $47 million less than
projected after a recent tax increase, and New Jersey's cigarette tax
revenues actually decreased between fiscal years 2006 and 2007, despite a
cigarette tax increase. As a result, programs that depend on cigarette
tax revenue go unfunded.

SMOKERS MAY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PURCHASE LESS EXPENSIVE CIGARETTES -
Studies show that revenues from increased state cigarette taxes often fall
short of projections, partially because smokers will go out of their way
to purchase less expensive cigarettes via untaxed channels: international
web sites, Native-American reservations, and even the black market. In
addition, revenue and sales for in-state merchants are lost when smokers
travel across borders into states with cheaper cigarette taxes. And local
store owners don't lose just their tobacco sales. When customers travel
to other stores, they will also make food, gas and beverage purchases at
the same place they buy cigarettes. Retailer associations estimate the
loss from these extra sales alone is about 20%. This tax avoidance often
leads to state revenue projection losses for both cigarette excise taxes
and sales taxes�making tobacco tax increases and inefficient means of
creating revenue.

HIGHER CIGARETTE TAXES INCREASE ORGANIZED CRIME ACTIVITY - An increase in
tobacco taxes will escalate an already-thriving underground market, making
it more lucrative for gangs and other organized crime outfits to steal,
smuggle and funnel black market cigarettes to consumers. In fact, the
higher the tax increase, the more lucrative are the illicit profits made
by criminals and the less legal profit is made by retailers and
wholesalers. Illegal sales also cut into revenue projections by state
government. An increase in illegal tobacco sales also take up the time and
resources of law enforcement officers and results in further demands from
the public that the state spend more on protection issues.
Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on April 7, 2009 at 11:36pm
I understand the concept behind 'sin tax' (After all, I lived in Nevada for a while) I think, however that the government goes around it in a very stupid way.
Obesity and smoking cause health problems, which drain government resources. I am personally offended at the thought of having to pay for the damage another person willingly does to their body. (There are many other behaviors that could rationally apply, too.) Until our country gets it's health care sorted out, something that doesn't lead to tax evasion issues needs be put in place. Once we catch up with the rest of the world, is a simple matter of making smokers and overweight citizens pay more for their health care than those that engage in a healthier way of life.
Now, I'm a full supporter that what you do with your body is YOUR business, but I'm also a supporter in responsibility.
Do what you want, just don't expect others to have to pick up your tab.
Comment by Dave G on April 8, 2009 at 12:48am
That pretty much sums up my opinion as well, Misty.
Comment by Morgan Matthew on April 8, 2009 at 3:28am
Hey great post and discussion guys. Glad this is now featured. :] Keep them coming Robyn!
Comment by Sophie on April 8, 2009 at 4:25am
This is directed at Kat

"These are some facts on what happens when states impose a sin tax."

I did not even think about those perspectives. Very interesting talking points I now have under my belt.

Good reads
Comment by Robyn on April 8, 2009 at 11:35am
misty- we "pick up the tab" everyday for people without healthcare...they take it out of my check. i know many people without healthcare and it's really bad in florida. i dont have healthcare and i'm denied healthcare not because i was/am a smoker...but because i've had an illness everyone has had, bronchitis...they consider it a pre-existing condition. (my firends' 3 year old has had it, he doesn't smoke and neither do his parents) my arguement wasn't against the obese and the smokers, for that matter you can attack the chicks who are baby factories, or guys ho don't pay child support...we pick up that tab too ya know...it was against the sin tax, and where to draw the line. My point was that increasing the tax doesn't help fund places to reform, but that it creates more crime. i dont want to pay for anyone else's mistakes either, but i'm not going to let the government decide what is sinful and what isn't, and then tax it.
Comment by Robyn on April 8, 2009 at 11:37am
cara- lol i thought they filled out a 10-90
Comment by Krysis on April 8, 2009 at 11:56am
As i said in the chat lol:

1. But who decides whether they are “evil?”
Anything with the potential to kill a human being (notice its a human being and not any other form of life) is deemed evil... yet most (if not all) deny the human potential to kill eachother, or at least are in denial about it. so technically of all things evil WE are the evil-est...?

What rehab is offered for smokers?
Hey they have rehab for WoW players :P but there are alot fewer rehab centers for tobacco, might be because its less of a concern with people whilst drunk drivers are a danger to many, tobacco doesn't effect you as bad and isn't as dangerous to the ones around you (except 2nd hand smoking) one rehab i found was: http://www.rawdetox.org/rehab/tobacco.html
Tho i know nothing of the healthcare conflict with tobacco... but i've seen plenty of drugs that claim they can fix the habit :/


In either case, the sin tax is tried to be played as "proper and necessary" tho not explicitly, i just don't like the name, i do realize of taxing such goods would bring some to a fit which makes sense the same way for me if they started to overtax video games -.- But tax is necessary at some points (but not when bailout money is spent on bonuses for big businesses, or other unknown sources). Tho taxes are necessary for a government i believe the government needs to grow the fuck up and spend wisely or else every single good will be overtaxed because gov't cant decide on what money to spend more on...

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