What makes the "hardcore" religious so... "hard headed"?

I remember not too long ago watching a news clip that showed two people talking about political parties. No matter how one of them tried to proclaim that either party can be wrong at any time and asked if the other person would side with the right party if the time came, the other kept saying that she would never change her party affiliation, she is a democrat and will be a democrat never a republican.

And i thought....

Hey, that sounds like religion!
What is this mindset?
And why so strong?

This mindset can be considered as Pride:
# a feeling of self-respect and personal worth
# satisfaction with your (or another's) achievements; "he takes pride in his son's success"
# the trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards
# a group of lions
# be proud of; "He prides himself on making it into law school"
# unreasonable and inordinate self-esteem (personified as one of the deadly sins)

With pride comes intentional "blindness". A pride in ones country shows how they support the country's views and actions, but are those views and actions right? One can support them but that does not make them the right views towards certain goals, like a global goal of being humane and the idea of "peace". The same with Religion, and Party Affiliation. What once used to be a source of morals and hope, now has become a clan in the fight for "I am right and you are wrong".

That must be why pride is a philosophical deadly sin.

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Comment by Dave G on February 28, 2009 at 1:44pm
It's a holdover of our tribal origins. In ages past, when humanity's largest grouping was the tribe, loyalty to the tribe was heavily selected for, as it increased the chances of survival not only of the individual, but also other tribe members, who were very likely to be family and share at least some of the individual's genes. This urge to loyalty, despite self-interest and in the face of opposing evidence, has carried over to non-genetically linked groups, such as religions, political parties, and sports teams.

On a more cheerful note, our compassion, our ability to feel empathy for those we do not even know, stems from the same source.
Comment by Thumper on February 28, 2009 at 2:33pm
I'm not sure whether you were stating the definitions of pride, or whether you were stating them and asserting they are negative. I would say your post seemingly insinuates as much.
This mindset can be considered as Pride:

# a feeling of self-respect and personal worth
Are you implying this is a bad thing? I have self-respect, and I value myself. That isn't pride, it's just not having low self-esteem.
# satisfaction with your (or another's) achievements; "he takes pride in his son's success"
Well, yes. I am satisfied when I complete something adequately. Pride in my work encourages me to try and do the very best I can. As for taking pride in someone else's success; I have a son who has chronic medical problems. Every time he braves needles or reads me a book, trying his very best, I am proud of him.
# the trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards
I don't ever want to fall short of the standards I have set for myself. I set myself high, and if I don't succeed I know to try harder next time. Nothing wrong with that.
# a group of lions
Mmm, lions.
# be proud of; "He prides himself on making it into law school"
Again, taking pride in achievements is perfectly reasonable and normal. That being said, it's also rather helpful to make you "aim higher"
# unreasonable and inordinate self-esteem (personified as one of the deadly sins)
This is about the only place I'll agree with you. Pride in this sense is undoubtedly detrimental, and could be accountable in part for some of the things you described.

Dave made a good point, I would say that is definitely a contributing factor.

I think more than pride, what you're referring to is faith, and beliefs. If people believe in something (for example, Christianity) it is not pride that drives them, it is faith.

"No matter how one of them tried to proclaim that either party can be wrong at any time and asked if the other person would side with the right party if the time came, the other kept saying that she would never change her party affiliation, she is a democrat and will be a democrat never a republican."
Well, of course. Because she doesn't believe she is wrong. You ask a Christian whether if Islam turns out to be the one true religion they would convert, I would imagine most would assert that they are most certainly not wrong. That isn't a matter of pride necessarily, it is more an indoctrinated belief of how they should live their lives. I'm sure for some people pride plays into it, but you can't discount the other factors and credit the whole reason to "pride". Especially in some of the senses you described.
Comment by Krysis on February 28, 2009 at 3:17pm
I was merely copying/pasting from define: pride on google, i wasn't stating them as a bad thing, although at certain levels they can be a bad thing
# a feeling of self-respect and personal worth
a decent level says good about one, but too much pride in yourself and you deny outside influence that can improve your work or improve yourself in general.
# satisfaction with your (or another's) achievements; "he takes pride in his son's success"
Same thing, if one has too much pride in a child they can overlook their negatives or even deny any negatives as blasphemy.
# the trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards
Too high standards can cause a sort of "infinite loop" where one spends his/her whole life expanding on standards that others expect of them, even one in him/herself.
# be proud of; "He prides himself on making it into law school"
Too much pride in anything can cause a serious case of "vanity" again which can blind one to not see the outside opinion but hangs on to his/her pride of their accomplishment.
# unreasonable and inordinate self-esteem (personified as one of the deadly sins)
this is general is the highest level of pride one can have, one of the deadly sins.

I'm not saying pride in general is a bad thing, but its something that needs to be self-controlled, like any other human emotion it can go haywire, as i stated pride in oneself or in a thing can make dillusional arguments seem reasonable because with pride on their side, they can't be wrong.
Comment by Pam on February 28, 2009 at 11:50pm
the other kept saying that she would never change her party affiliation, she is a democrat and will be a democrat never a republican.

That's what the "Solid South" said until the Civil Rights movement. Look at them now.

Pride may be an extension of this, but I think it has more to do with the idea that people identify themselves by their religion or political party in the same way they identify themselves as male or female. They allow these kinds of affiliations to become personal facts. Then the soul can travel to heaven and though it no longer retains race or gender, it's still a conservative-Republican Christian.

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