The phantom menace: an eye on the threatening italian Public Health situation

I'm a woman. I'm Italian. This is a report of one of the most important italian newspapers, that warns about a frightening prevision based on a worrying statistic: in five years, italian women won't be able to carry out an abortion in their Country.

Why? Is the italian government planning a removal of the law 194 (which pertains the provision of abortion)? No. The actual reason is more appalling than this one: it is a "phantom menace", a poison gas that is going to kill silently our freedom, without any clamour.

The antiabortionist doctors' number is increasing year by year: being against abortion gives them the chance to build a career, and they are advantaged in their job. That means that the few remaining abortionist doctors are seriously penalized, being confined exclusively to abortion and forced to killing work shifts, as testified by the interview of a gynaecologist in the article I linked on top.

The report continues with a claim of the LAIGA (the italian association of abortionist doctors) which asserts that in postgraduate schools professors are not teaching anymore how to carry on a termination of pregnancy, so that young inexperienced doctors learn it only by watching other doctors while doing it, endangering women who are going to abort.

In this dreadful situation, the woman is left all by her own with her troubles, without any medical assistance, being often attacked or mocked by pro-life movement nurses.

But the worst fact in this situation is that many of the so-called antiabortionist doctors actually carry out abortions "privately", charging the patient very high prices. That means that women or families who can't pay for those "special treatments" will turn to dangerous illegal abortions.

This dramatic situation is bringing our society back to the XIX Century and, what is worse, we are losing our rights and our human dignity, denigrating everything our fathers fought for. As a well-known song says, i would prefer losing my religion.

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Tags: abortion, bad religion

Comment by kris feenstra on November 22, 2011 at 2:31pm

I'm not that familiar with Italian health care apart fromt he fact that it has a socialized component and a private component.  Aren't abortions covered under socialized health care?  If so, I would have no troubles mandating that certain health care providers set themselves up to handle the task, and that doctors under their employ are required to perform the operation when needed at the risk of punitive fines on refusal.

Comment by Gianni Versatile on November 22, 2011 at 3:25pm

Unbelievable…

Comment by Ceci on November 22, 2011 at 3:42pm

@kris: yes, abortions are covered under socialized health care. unfortunately there's the problem of the catholic church, which is the strongest political power in my country, so the government (right or left) is always subdued by it due to the catholic electorate, which is very large.

 

@gianni: aren't you italian too? :)

Comment by Dennis Weaver on November 22, 2011 at 4:23pm

Ceci... I wish the document you linked was also in English somehow so I could read it, because I really want to read it :-(

Very interesting though... I keep wondering what could be done about this... because as you said, it's more ominous, because it's not an existing legal problem.

It also sounds like the education system is getting infiltrated by anti-abortionist religious... which is hard to hear, given that for example in my country, education by and large is detached from the influences of religious dogma. Which probably sounds very odd, since I am speaking of the US.

It sounds like you have a serious social and political issue.

I'm curious though, how is it that the anti-abortionist doctors have the demand to charge ridiculously high prices, in contrast to, that it sounds like abortionist doctors are being marginalized and in low demand, if you will?

Comment by Ceci on November 22, 2011 at 4:53pm

@dennis: eehh, i wish i had an english translation, i would do it by myself if the artcle wasn't so long... anyway i underlined its main themes in my post, so that everybody could enjoy it.

yes, it is a real contraddiction, because honest gynaecologist are penalized doing the job they're paid for, while deceitful doctors take the advantage of this situation showig off their "catholic values" in the public health system, but doing the contrary in the private sector.

and you are right, the education system is getting infiltrated by this cancer, too... not surprisingly, i would add, if you consider that the vatican select its priests and flunkeys to become religion teachers (and not only) in our italian schools.

Comment by Dennis Weaver on November 22, 2011 at 5:11pm

@ the translation. It's all good... just an artifact of language! Thanks for summarizing it.

 

I think I see what you mean... it doesn't make sense in one way, but I suppose, for example, a lot of Catholics in Italy might take preference to the doctors with "Catholic values". I could see how that would work, even if strange.

 

So the Vatican has, at least some, direct control of who is appointed in the education system? Wow.

Comment by Ceci on November 22, 2011 at 5:57pm

yes mate. the catholic church is very influential in EVERY field. for example in the employment field: if you are an obedient catholic and have a powerful priest's confidence, you have better chances to get a good job (or simply to get a job, nowadays). but the vatican gives its prescriptions even in the media (expecially TV programs and news) and so on. a real nightmare.

Comment by Gianni Versatile on November 22, 2011 at 6:25pm

@Dennis

They do not have direct control, but they do have the general opinions backing due to religion and direct friends in the papal state. So easy it is for anyone to surpass an Agnostic or Atheist or even another religious person, just like the USA or Canada, the more one is aligned with "god" the more they will be liked and protected, even if that person has a dark background. As I could perceive, abortion in Italy is the same as around here in North America, some religious care some do not. The problem is, and unlike the USA, Italy has the very symbol of Christianity in their backyard, the all mighty papal state is constantly there, constantly sending reminders. The papal state as become a type of Mafia, the only difference is that the church asks for money in a polite way and the mafia extort it, at the end both tries to self empower.

 

@-----Ceci------

Tecnicamente devo dire che sono Canadese, sono nato qui in Montreal. Ma non fatemi parlare del l'Italia, io a volte piange per non poter essere lì. Mi manca le mie belle montagne d'Abruzzo, il mare calma del Adriatica, sulla spiaggia di Montesilvano (Pescara) ... oh! sì... :( 

Ciao!

Comment by Simon Paynton on November 22, 2011 at 6:43pm

Evil freaks.  Yes, unbelievable. 

Comment by Ceci on November 23, 2011 at 6:25am

@gianni: you are right, i forgot to clarify to dennis that it's not strictly a "direct" control (although it's very close to it).

anyway i think there is a clear distinction between italy and the usa: italian's "faith" is usually very opportunistic, because of the "mafia" attitude that permeates every field of society.

in usa the situation looks to me a bit different: i'm sure there are opportunistic believers in there too, but sometimes it seems that they mentally went back to the time of the witch-hunt. i follow through youtube the program "the atheist experience", which is very important for me to understand the dynamics of being an atheist in the usa, and sometimes i find mysefl surprised at some phone call; also in this community i have read comments like "i'm an american atheist and this is very difficult for me because i feel like people would squeeze my atheism out of me", which is an unknwown feeling for me. i hung out at an italian atheists forum and, except for some southern guys whose parents were very religious, the most of us complained about the favouritisms system of the church, about the religious tax, about the fact that we are indirectly ruled by religious laws and so on... perhaps my very religious grandma would be worried about my atheism (obviusly i didn't tell her, i don't want to see her agonizing about it), but i think it's a usual attitude of old people. i think that the american religious issue is slightly different.

however, my fellow countryman, i live not far  from pescara: i'm from the Marches, and my city is 30 km away from the Adriatic sea :D

 

@simon: yes, it is. a real trouble.

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