Pro-gay: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

Anti-gay: AIDS!

Pro-gay: AIDS is also caused by dirty needles and heterosexual sex.

Anti-gay: Gay people are more promiscuous, so they make AIDS a bigger problem.

Pro-gay: AIDS is spread mostly by straight people.

Anti-gay: Gay sex is inherently more risky than heterosexual sex.

Pro-gay: You're a bigot.

Anti-gay: You're immoral/damned.

I'm tired of seeing the same debate a thousand times. What can be done to change the dialogue?

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Comment by Nerdy Keith on March 4, 2013 at 6:24pm

Well I usually use a lot of case studies to argue that homosexuality is natural. This includes the animals studies documenting homosexuality in nature. However that usually requires clarifying that humans are scientifically classed as animals too. Due to the reason that many religious persons cannot accept the fact that humans are animals. They believe we are special lol

There is also using the simple definition of what natural is, which is existing in nature. Does homosexuality exist in nature? Yes it does. Therefore it has to be natural. Ironically there is no evidence of a god in nature. 

Thee is also the news articles APA stating that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. 

Use current scientific data to fight the ignorance. Its always worked for me, unless some people are just too stupid to understand

Comment by kris feenstra on March 4, 2013 at 6:26pm

"They believe we are special."

I am special. My mother told me so.

Comment by Unseen on March 4, 2013 at 6:42pm

Scientific evidence only has limited application when it comes to judging things like deviance. It comes down to societal values. A certain percentage of the population is pedophilic. Presumably, they are born that way just like homosexuals. We are accepting homosexuals (whereas in the past we did not). In the past we would have held that homosexuals harmed the fabric of society. The argument that since 10% of people are born gay would have been used as evidence that they are suffering from a birth defect like insanity.

We have (most of us) simply taken gays into the fold. Primitive tribes who don't kill them actually adopt schizophrencs as shamans. 

I doubt whether we'll ever take pedophiles into the fold, but it wasn't so long ago that homosexuals and pedophiles were lumped together. Even today, you easily find people who assume that gay males are necessarily attracted to boys. 

Comment by Barry Adamson on March 4, 2013 at 6:57pm

I would trust a gay couple alone with my children before I would trust "a fine upstanding member of the church" any day - in fact I have because my children have actually voiced feeling safer with the gay couple.

Comment by Strega on March 4, 2013 at 7:03pm

it wasn't so long ago that homosexuals and pedophiles were lumped together.

Don't leave out the animals!  bestiality was also in the melting pot, as I understand it.

Comment by Unseen on March 4, 2013 at 7:11pm

Well, if you can't find an 8 year old for a date on Saturday night, there's always a goat.

Comment by Barry Adamson on March 4, 2013 at 8:41pm

...and some where in this world there is a little goat crying out for help...

Comment by Strega on March 4, 2013 at 8:47pm

They heard you were coming...

Comment by Barry Adamson on March 4, 2013 at 9:02pm

Splendid!

Comment by Unseen on March 4, 2013 at 9:41pm

Ah, the famous tree goats of Namibia.

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