Pro-gay: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

Anti-gay: AIDS!

Pro-gay: AIDS is also caused by dirty needles and heterosexual sex.

Anti-gay: Gay people are more promiscuous, so they make AIDS a bigger problem.

Pro-gay: AIDS is spread mostly by straight people.

Anti-gay: Gay sex is inherently more risky than heterosexual sex.

Pro-gay: You're a bigot.

Anti-gay: You're immoral/damned.

I'm tired of seeing the same debate a thousand times. What can be done to change the dialogue?

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Comment by SteveInCO on March 3, 2013 at 10:58pm

Indeed Thomas.  That being the case, why do so many gays want to sweep the evidence under the rug?

I *very* sarcastically commented on another forum, in response to Strega's newsflash, that of course you know the only way to cure AIDS is to kill all the gays.

Comment by Unseen on March 3, 2013 at 11:31pm

Well, way back when AIDS first appeared, the first known patient was a gay airline pilot named Gaetan Dugas ("patient zero"), and for a while it spread mostly in the gay community in San Francisco due to bareback gay bathhouse sex, so it became stigmatized as "the gay disease." It took the public a while to realize anyone could get it, not just gays. Do we have the right to limit and/or determine people's sexuality? Ask your local public health department. They are concerned with syphilis and gonorrhea, so why not HIV?

Comment by Ward Cressin on March 4, 2013 at 2:55am

In the USA a higher percentage of gay men are infected with HIV than straight men and women. Worldwide, it is just a disease and could be called a straight disease in Africa. IIRC the same could be said of HIV in southeast Asia but my info is from a while ago and could be off for there.

 

Desu - very cute, thanks    :D

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on March 4, 2013 at 5:16am

If Homosexual people are Gay, are Heterosexual people Unhappy?

If Heterosexual people are Straight, are Homosexual people Bent?

Basically it's all Fucking and you gotta be careful in selecting partners.

Personally I don't want ANY STD.

Comment by Unseen on March 4, 2013 at 10:14am

@Kris Feenstra

Gay males are said to be about 10%-11% of the male population.

"44% of U.S. men diagnosed with AIDS are men who have sex with men." (source)

I'm not sure how self-described bisexual males fit into the statistics, but it does seem that AIDS is a significantly greater problem in the gay community. I also don't think statistics provide any sort of guidance ethically. Suppose, for example, that there's a disease transmitted heterosexually. And I believe there is one: apparently cervical cancer is caused by heterosexual sex with a male carrying the HPV virus. Women who are sexually active with multiple partners are at greater risk, which is a parallel with promiscuous gay sex.

So, from a public health standpoint, perhaps the government does have standing to discourage sexual promiscuity, but not for moral/ethical reasons.

Comment by Gregg R Thomas on March 4, 2013 at 10:32am

If I understand correctly (I may not) in Africa the majority of HIV is spread by Heterosexually activity.  Of course those morons believe AIDS is cured by having sex with a virgin, so these fuckers rape female children thereby transmitting it to children.  Go figure.

Comment by Barry Adamson on March 4, 2013 at 5:59pm

To answer the question : Have an experience like mine, and it will completely change your mind and erase the misguided prejudices you grow up with.

Comment by Nerdy Keith on March 4, 2013 at 6:24pm

Well I usually use a lot of case studies to argue that homosexuality is natural. This includes the animals studies documenting homosexuality in nature. However that usually requires clarifying that humans are scientifically classed as animals too. Due to the reason that many religious persons cannot accept the fact that humans are animals. They believe we are special lol

There is also using the simple definition of what natural is, which is existing in nature. Does homosexuality exist in nature? Yes it does. Therefore it has to be natural. Ironically there is no evidence of a god in nature. 

Thee is also the news articles APA stating that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. 

Use current scientific data to fight the ignorance. Its always worked for me, unless some people are just too stupid to understand

Comment by Unseen on March 4, 2013 at 6:42pm

Scientific evidence only has limited application when it comes to judging things like deviance. It comes down to societal values. A certain percentage of the population is pedophilic. Presumably, they are born that way just like homosexuals. We are accepting homosexuals (whereas in the past we did not). In the past we would have held that homosexuals harmed the fabric of society. The argument that since 10% of people are born gay would have been used as evidence that they are suffering from a birth defect like insanity.

We have (most of us) simply taken gays into the fold. Primitive tribes who don't kill them actually adopt schizophrencs as shamans. 

I doubt whether we'll ever take pedophiles into the fold, but it wasn't so long ago that homosexuals and pedophiles were lumped together. Even today, you easily find people who assume that gay males are necessarily attracted to boys. 

Comment by Barry Adamson on March 4, 2013 at 6:57pm

I would trust a gay couple alone with my children before I would trust "a fine upstanding member of the church" any day - in fact I have because my children have actually voiced feeling safer with the gay couple.

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