The Facebook high road is hard to take, especially for an aging hockey player who lived for the fights and the competition. Perhaps this is why I will visit this misery upon the dear members of Think Atheist. I need to vent.

I don't normally entangle myself in Facebook political or religious drama. I do have conservative friends that I exchange friendly debates with, however. One happens to be on Facebook and he comments on my posts and so I feel free to return the favor. Mostly, it is done in a civil manner. We both recognize that we are friends above all.

Recently, however, I allowed myself to get dragged into a debate where a third party was compelled by his passions to get his two cents in. The debate was fine, but notice the change in tone of this person when I inform him that I have no interest in discussing the matter with him. Oh, here, I have screen shots!

It starts out with a video that you can watch here. Basically, it was a cartoon that explained how America worked (50 years ago) and the dangers of selling your freedoms away for security. My good friend Tim meant it as a jab at Obama and Socialism. Being the deviant I am, I made different connection. This was intended to illustrate that this "prophetic" cartoon could be interpreted many ways., have a look at the conversation. Can you spot the similarities to religious think? And notice the anger of Derek, the third wheel. Full disclosure: my "Christian" name is Ken, thus Kenny will be used a few times in the dialog. Melissa is Tim's wife.





Of course I am raging to set this fucker straight. Alas, I did slip and respond to this Alex P. Keaton wannabe once after I said I would not address him again. Now he is baiting me.

However, Tim private messaged me asking to take the discussion off the thread, told me his wife was enamored by me, and admitted to enjoying the debate with me. I found some info on Fact Check Dot Org regarding the oil and gave a brief synopsis of my search. I began by researching conservative claims. They were without teeth. He promised to come back with a read of my findings and better sources for his claims.

But look at Derek. Just begging for an education. I could dissect the myriad ways in which he displays his ignorance. But I think I will let his words do the job. As my wife said earlier, "you can't fix stupid". I'm so glad I let her wear the pants.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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Comment by Misty: Baytheist Living! on September 20, 2009 at 9:58am
I <3 your wife, Reg.
Comment by Dave G on September 20, 2009 at 10:30am
Your wife rocks, Reggie. You can't fix stupid, indeed.
Comment by Reggie on September 20, 2009 at 10:56am
Haha. Me too!
Comment by Joe g on September 20, 2009 at 10:57am
I like reading the bill of rights, and the other amendments. I don't read the constitution as much as I should, but it too is a most worthwhile document.
I am particularly impressed by the cynicism of the whole thing ( constitution I mean) . The ism thatdefines the American experiment.

As optimistic as the D of I is, the constitution makes provision for the natural tendency of humans to descend into selfishness greed and other base instincts that subjugate the interests of one , or a group of, individual(s) in the interests of others.

It seems to me, in particular the choice of a republican system is part of that cynicism, in that the implicit recognition is that the majority is easily swayed on a day to day basis, and that choosing an individual to vote his/her conscious, then to face regularly the constituents, can at least slow down the trampling of rights. The courts are there to oversee things.

What has astonished me over the years, is how a guy like Derek among others, can totally leap past the duties of the congress while waving their copies of the constitution.

It is of course congress that has the power of the purse, not the president.

If congress does not appropriate the cash, it cannot be spent, so blaming any deficit or surplus on any president is just inaccurate.

As is crediting things like the patriot act to bush. He signed it of course, but it could not be law without congressional approval, and if recollection serves, the patriot act was an extension of the terrorism bill signed by Clinton.

The two club system is nothing endorsed by the constitution, and as Lanny Guenier ( sp) tried to point out and was roundly excoriated for, the winner takes all system in establishing how the electoral college will be assigned is also not defined therein. The club system though won't have it any other way. Please do correct me if I am wrong there.

Further claims made by either the left or the right about constitutional abrogations are further selected for convenience.

i don't understand for instance, how exempting religions from taxation is not an establishment. If your country club has to pay property taxes, ( and why do they get away with reduced rates)
why not churches? Why should other taxpayers have to subsidize services to churches?.

Why are dogs allowed to search your car, when humans would need probable cause, or better still a warrant?

Why is locking someone up for decades because they are holding one from of plant life, when holders of other forms are taxed, and for decades the producers of those plants were subsidized by the government? Isn't that cruel and unusual?
And as far as equality goes, no mention I can find going through the bill of rights and subsequent amendments distinguishes male from female. It is my position that there are no arguments against homosexuality that are not based in religion. So why is it that if a woman can marry a man, a man cannot? Are they equal or not equal?

Of course, we ask the higher courts to interpret things, and 9 people in black dresses have a lot of pressure on them to preserve the status quo, but still, the veneer of fake justice can be chipped away by relentless pursuit.

i believe there are plenty of laws and enforcements that are entirely unconstitutional, but the expense of challenging any one of them can be prohibitive, particularly when faced with the deep pockets of the established interests.

No one in this world, so far as I know -- and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me -- has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
-- H L Mencken, quoted by Gore Vidal in the the Foreward to The Impossible H L Mencken, Marion Elizabeth Rodgers, ed.

Sadly, the better thumpers are well aware of this, and have no shame rousing the rabble to whatever stupid cause suits their agenda for the day. This is as true of the O'Reilly's and the Limbaughs as it is of all of the social tinkerers who would like to specify what is best for us as individuals.

"The trouble with liberty is that people will not behave the way I want them to." Joe Grenon, 1982
Comment by Reggie on October 10, 2009 at 3:52am
Yeah.....the high road didn't take long to get rained out.



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