The Cornered Theist & Their Desperate Arguments

Common arguments from theists with nothing meaningful to say. An analysis..sort of.

  • I don't have to defend my God! - I have no answers and I don't have to have any justification for my beliefs nor am I required to justify any of this to myself. I just feel God or know it's true and how DARE you question that! This allows a theist to close the argument, have the last word, and walk away feeling proud and good.

  • One day everyone will stand in front of God and be judged, including you! - When confronted with facts/evidence or logic that make a theist uncomfortable this line is thrown at the atheist. It's no more than the threat of hell and a modified version of Pascals Wager. This also allows the theist to avoid the question or dismiss any argument they find troubling and place responsibility on the atheist.

  • You're disrespecting me! - When the theist becomes really flustered and/or feels incapable of  adding anything meaningful to a discussion you might here this. Theists find it unfathomable and quite frankly offensive that people don't believe in God or the same god they do which they tend to take personally. In truth however pointing out logical problems with their beliefs and presenting evidence that contradicts their beliefs is in no way disrespectful, if anything it's honest. Even in friendly debates theists often resort to respect and when that doesn't work they throw out intolerance. This is clearly a mechanism that allows theists to shut down arguments with an appeal to emotion. Yet another line theists throw out that allows them to avoid the problems you present them with, much like sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling blah blah blah....I can't hear you.

  • Uh huh...oooookaay, yeeaa suuuure - You might hear this in a debate with a theist when you tell them that their belief is delusional as there is no testable peer reviewed evidence that shows their god exists even though they have none themselves. Certainly some theists will claim that the mere fact we're here amounts to evidence or they'll use the argument from trees or other nonsense but those that have no answers or are flustered by the atheist's argument often fall back on this and sometimes with an added snicker thrown as if they are privy to some special knowledge or evidence that the rest of the world is not.

  • I don't care, I don't need to read, look, or listen to that! - Yet another example of the theist covering his/her ears and shouting blah blah blah...I can't hear you at the top of their lungs. When the atheist not only presents the theist with facts that pose a problem for their beliefs and poke holes in their logic but offers or tries to show the theist where they can find this information, this is often a remark you'll hear. It allows the believer to stay in their comfort zone, avoid anything that might cause internal conflict, avoid that which might demonstrate they're wrong simply by reaffirming to themselves that they already have all the answers, that they know the truth. There's nothing like coming to a conclusion only after reviewing something right?

  • You're so closed minded. - Yes Mr./Mrs. Theist that's right. I hold beliefs that are based on observable, testable evidence and am willing to change what I believe when the evidence warrants such a change. If only that pesky logic would go away I could be as open minded as you. Believing in something that is unprovable and claiming you just know it's real because you can feel it in your heart or that you just know is a trait that I'm envious of. You don't need to do any thinking, you just accept something as true/real regardless of any problems that logic or evidence to the contrary might pose and of course you don't ever have to worry about changing your beliefs or views because well you wouldn't even if it could be proven that your god doesn't exist! There's nothing more open minded than that.
  • Ok Mr. Know-It-All! - Need a more clear cut example of an ad hominem? Is there one? Theists will attempt to negate facts, evidence, education and skepticism by labeling the person with those things in a pejorative manner. Of course if they were educated, possesed facts, or applied skeptism without bias to their own beliefs you'd never hear this at all. When the theist resorts to name calling they have nothing left. Varitions of this argument include "oh that's right I forgot, you know everything", "that's right you're NEVER wrong", "you think you're so smart", etc.

  • I can't imagine a world without God - Ironic as it appears as though and is likely that your god does not exist. Theists might use this line to try and stymie an argument from an atheist but all it's really doing is saying "fine just leave me alone I'm done talking to you" and demonstrates the theists inability or unwillingness to deal with reality themselves. They can't or don't want to imagine life outside of their delusion because that's scary and difficult. This line does nothing for their case for god or the truth of their claims it's merely meant to comfort.

  • Skepticsm is so negative - It is...really? Applying logic and reason to something is negative? Believing in demonstrable evidence is negative? Asking questions when we find flaws in something is negative? Of course to the theist these things are equal to heresy so it's only natural that they would label skepticism as negative. The scientific process is based, at least in part, on skepticism. Skepticism helps us determine what is an isn't true, there's nothing negative about skepticism.

  • Why do you always have to question everything? - Why don't you question everything? Why do you believe I/we shouldn't? Do you not care whether or not what you believe is actually true? Are you content in believing things for which there is no evidence? Are you afraid to question some things? Questioning things is part of how we begin when we want to determine truth from non truths. This often comes from theists who have nothing left to say.

What are some of the common desperation tactics you encounter?

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Tags: Ad, Appeals, Arguments, Desperation, Emotion, From, Hominem, Ignorance, To, Willful

Comment by Apple on June 24, 2011 at 1:43pm

"You can't explain how something came from nothing!"

 

"The life of an atheists has no objective purpose."  (All this talk about purpose is especially funny because the daily lives of the average Christian and the average atheist within the same country aren't all that different.  If "purpose" is praying and going to church once in a while, then their god sure left them with a lot of spare time...)

 

"Atheism is a religion."  (Or atheism is based on faith)

 

"You just need to find the right (liberal) church."

 

"You were never a true Christian."

 

"Evolution is just a theroy."

 

"If morals aren't grounded in God's Law, then all talk about 'right' or 'wrong', 'good' or 'evil' is nothing more then our collective cultural opinion.  Without God morals do not exist."

Comment by Apple on June 24, 2011 at 1:45pm

Sorry for the double post, but I forgot my favorite:

 

"Why are you so angry?"

Comment by Rev. Chris Pagan on June 24, 2011 at 3:45pm
"You don't have faith in anything because you hate yourself." - Been told this, and variance of this one, by several family members, including my mother.
Comment by Dave Gibbs on June 24, 2011 at 4:22pm
When I was preparing to leave my own church, my bishop told me outright that he could not answer my questions regarding the bible's problems, and that I should seek more educated apologists, but he knew that Heavenly Father and Jesus were real because the spirit had revealed it to him... the knowledge of the truth of the gospel was placed directly in his mind and their was no doubt in him.
Comment by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on June 24, 2011 at 6:25pm

"Atheists lack humility" Hmmm.....who is claiming to have the absolute truth??

"What bad thing happened to make you lose your faith ?

or "You were never a real christian !!"

"My faith is a reasoned one !! How dare you say it is rationalised.!!

 

 

 

 

Comment by Eric Youngstrom on June 24, 2011 at 8:26pm

"Why are you mad at god?"

Love this one my quick response is normally ~ I don't get at make believe things. The believers in make believe is another story.

 

"I didn't come from no monkeys!"

Re: Nor do I or any of us. We share a common ancestor.

 

"This is a christian country. If you don't like it get out!"

Re: Funny I was unaware that this Democratic Republic became a Christian Theocracy.

Comment by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on June 25, 2011 at 12:50am
Hahaha I like the "You're disrespecting me!" argument, even though most theists (that I know) always say to me "How cant you accept the truth?....God is really out there!.....He works in mysterious ways.......Your a satanist then......You're a freak" Like thats not disrespectful to me what so ever.
Comment by Bertus Colyn on June 27, 2011 at 9:21am
"You can't see love, but you believe in love." Is what I got.

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