So I posted this on Tumblr and it's received a few notes in the past few days:
The response that caused me to retort was the view "back the fuck off, I'll believe what I want" meaning the message in the picture has either been completely ignored or went totally over their head.
HAHAHAHAA wow. I “must” - huh?
My boyfriend the philosopher always suggests that science is just a series of theories. For example, we don’t know for sure that gravity exists. How do we know FOR SURE that when we drop a pencil it will fall? We don’t know. We cannot be sure of anything in this world other than the fact that we can not be sure of anything.
That’s why I tell this to the atheists: back the fuck off. I can’t prove anything, and neither can you. You believe what you want to believe, and I’ll believe what I want to.
I think my reply was succinct and explained the holes in her reply.
We know a pencil will fall based on evidence; repeatable, reproducible evidence. Like evolution, gravity is a fact. Theories help explain the facts. Theories change and alter if and when evidence calls for it. The mechanism by which gravity works may change if we discover new evidence. But in the meantime, gravity will not cease to exist. Since you seemingly don’t know the meaning of ‘theory’ in a scientific sense, that may have well gone over your head. Here it is more eloquently:
“Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world’s data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation replaced Newton’s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air pending the outcome. And human beings evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.
Moreover, ‘fact’ does not mean ‘absolute certainty.’ The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science, ‘fact’ can only mean ‘confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.’ I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.” (Stephen Jay Gould)
Have a read of this also if you like.
Religion is based on faith. Faith, by definition, is belief with lack of evidence.
Attempting to make science and religious belief in any way comparable shows an incredible lack of understanding and logic.
Their response to this is so asinine that I found it hard to reply at all.
Just because a pencil has fallen in the past does not mean that if will fall when we drop it in the present. Past not equal present. We can ASSUME it will fall based on evidence from the past, but how do we KNOW that it will definitely fall when we drop it now? NOW in this moment?
Take a look at philisophy, my friend.
I’ll repeat what I said before. Lay the fuck off. You can prove nothing. Science is a series of theories that can help you predict what will happen now in this moment, but you cannot prove anything. And neither can I.
I think I made my point (what do you guys think?) but don't think I'll be replying beyond that. I mean, what can you say to someone who effectively argued they won't fall if they step off a bridge because gravity isn't fact?
Honestly? Are you actually trying to say there may be a time when we drop a pencil and it will not fall? If not, then you’re not making a point. If yes, you are either thick or are saying something thick to try to defend yourself. To highlight how stupid your ‘argument’ is - step off a bridge and see what happens.
If you do, you’re an idiot. If you don’t, you’re admitting to the fact you will fall. Which, again, means you have no point. I hope you go for option two. You’ll be a hypocrite but at least you’ll be alive.