I do not understand; how do the faithful know what to believe? Obviously they can't believe everything. So they are skeptical, sometimes. Perhaps that is what the "holy spirit" provides. It guides them to take some things on faith and reject other claims as false. But you need faith in a holy spirit first, so that's bullshit too.

I recall the first little prick that informed me that Santa was a hoax. I refused to give it up until I caught parents playing Santa. That was all it took. So you can't just tell someone not to be faithful. Atheists play the role of that kid who busted Santa....no wonder we are so unpopular.

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Comment by M.M. on July 21, 2013 at 11:32pm

I THINK the allure of faith and the suspension of reason is that you can believe whatever makes you feel better. Regardless of facts, contradictory fables and passages, pure fantasy etc, faith is that lever that makes the impossible possible. And once you dispense with reason and facts then there is nothing you can not tell your self in order to feel better.

Silly as it sounds faith is the miracle.

The cure all to reality and the unknown.


Comment by Stephen Clark Okawa on July 22, 2013 at 12:25am

Atheists are the bringer of "bad news," but that news is still a closer approximation of the truth than any theistic claims.  I don't consider it mean or unpopular to tell the truth or express well-evinced knowns.  

There are also two confusing faiths.  One is the "faith" of simply believing with zero evidence. The other is "faith" born out of habit, probably better called "reason to believe," as in, "I have faith I'll get that job."  The former is entrusting the chips to fall where they may; the latter is at least built on some data to lead you to believe in a reasonable conclusion --- i.e. you have previous work experience, had a good interview, etc.  I think people conflate the two.  I think this happens, mainly, with theists.  Look at the current Trayvon Martin situation.  A lot of the activists are "praying for God to see them through this," they have, "faith God will help them."  It is a response to the first faith, which is 100% hope that things will go right for them.  But it also a response to the second: "Look, we've been in this scenario before --- and remember, our faith got us through it!"  Of course, what got them through it is their own coping abilities, others, circumstantial events, and their own activism to resolve it.  The conflation is that religious faith, somehow, saved the day --- again! (hurray!).  They consistently merge the two and get a result that is more aligned with providence and a "plan" --- a clear instance of "leading" the evidence instead of following it.  

However, this is the cancer of faith: it discredits human achievement by shutting off the critical thinking part of the mind.  It puts everything --- all decisions and outcomes --- into the hands of something else.  

The second type of "faith" --- or hope, whatever --- is much more preferable.  However, for theists, they think of faith as being conjoined with their wishes.  And when things don't turn out "as planned," it just means they need more faith! (whatever that means).  It's a bizarre belief/reward system that only burdens societies and hinders rational thinking.  Personally, I could care less about whether someone is "uncomfortable" without the assuaging pacifier known as faith.  I respect those who are willing to stare down a hard truth.  However, I do understand the need.  I just think it does far more harm than good.  



Comment by _Robert_ on July 22, 2013 at 9:45pm

Plus- people of faith will pick up arms, because god will see them through. It's a really good control system when you need people to kill and die for you.


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