Surprise! Even some Christians support Satanist display at Oklahoma Capitol

Satanic monument

The leader of a Satanic temple said he has been touched by the support his group has received for its proposal to place a monument next to the Ten Commandments at the Oklahoma State Capitol.

“It’s really encouraging. It’s really moving. We do get a lot of messages that start out with the caveat, ‘You know I am a Christian.’ However, and they explain that they appreciate what we’re doing,” Lucien Greaves, a spokesperson for the Satanic Temple, told KWTV.

The New York City-based group proposed a 7-foot, goat-headed Baphomet figure to be placed on a stone slab, flanked by two smiling children, on the capitol grounds after a Republican lawmaker and conservative Christians were permitted to erect the monument to the Mosaic laws.

“It’s not a call to war against one side or the other, it’s actually a call for reconciliation to have a plurality of voices,” Greaves said. “There is no singular voice of the Oklahoman, you need to embrace the diversity of your population and see that no single politician’s view represents the entirety of the law abiding citizenry in Oklahoma.”

He said support for the monument, which he suggested would allow children to have their pictures taken on the figure’s lap for family fun, is growing by the day.

“We’ve gotten a lot of messages from people saying that they served or are serving in the armed forces, and they feel that these values are exactly what we fought for,” Greaves said.

KWTV spoke with several Oklahoma residents who agree.

“This is kind of what America was based on, freedom of religion. And for us to say whether you believe in it or not, that it shouldn’t be there, is kind of wrong,” said resident Bailee Boyce.

But others agree with some state lawmakers, who argue that Satanists should not be given the same treatment as Christians.

“Having little kids around it, that’s just ridiculous,” said Terry Hill, pastor of the Canadian County Cowboy Church. “I mean, don’t understand where they come from.”

Yukon resident Harold Harvey said he worried about the Satanic monument’s supporters.

“We hope every one of them gets saved because they’re going to live with Satan in a bad place for an eternity, and in my mind, that’s the worst thing that could happen,” Harvey said.

The Oklahoma City Capitol Preservation Commission has placed a moratorium on new monuments until a lawsuit over the Ten Commandments monument is resolved. Other groups, including PETA and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, have petitioned for their own displays.

“We have to let this play out however it plays out, but we’ll keep pushing to make sure that it’s going ahead,” said Greaves, who submitted designs to the preservation commission.

The temple intends to create the monument even if its proposal is rejected.

Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/28/surprise-even-some-christians...

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Comment by Kairan Nierde on January 28, 2014 at 11:49pm

Look, I think we should take every inch of public land and fill it up with monuments to every religion ever known. America, stay classy.

...Or, we could not put any religious monuments up. 

Comment by Davis Goodman on January 29, 2014 at 12:48am

I think an adequately funded and stocked library would be good too.

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 29, 2014 at 12:50am

"Brady Henderson, an official of the Oklahoma ACLU, pointed to Florida as a cautionary tale. The placement of a Nativity scene on the state Capitol grounds led to a free-for-all. Henderson said, “To get around the First Amendment problems, they had to let other groups in. So next to the creche was a Festivus pole and Flying Spaghetti Monster. We don’t want our state to become [like that]. Here is something with thousands of years of tradition next to a joke from Seinfeld, and the government is presenting them as equals. That cheapens a lot of people’s faith. The only one who is happy is the one who wants to make a mockery of religion.”

Shall we count on the wisdom of the American legal system to sort out this mess?

While you're mulling that over, consider McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky and Van Orden v. Perry, two cases involving Ten Commandment monuments on public land. The kangaroos of the Rehnquist Supreme Court reached opposite conclusions on the same day. One monument was ordered removed from McCreary County courthouse in Kentucky on grounds that it represented government endorsement of religion. The other monument was allowed to remain at the Texas state capital on grounds that it represented "historical value".

"History" has become the preferred euphemism and political cover. It's not a list of religious laws about blasphemy, worshipping Yahweh exclusively, and the holy Sabbath. Heck no. It's history. See? No clash with the Constitution here!

Will the monument stay? Will it be removed? Will it become one of many monuments in a carnival-like atmosphere? Will it be allowed to remain, but with no other monuments permitted, because only the Ten Commandments are "history"?

I enjoy the good mockery of religion just as much as the next fellow, but this Ten Commandments cluster fuck is so far beyond stupid that calling it stupid is an insult to stupid people. Take these idiotic things down. They should never have gone up on public land in the first place.

Comment by SteveInCO on January 29, 2014 at 10:39am

I enjoy the good mockery of religion just as much as the next fellow, but this Ten Commandments cluster fuck is so far beyond stupid that calling it stupid is an insult to stupid people. Take these idiotic things down. They should never have gone up on public land in the first place.

So now we have the spectacle of "Christians" (surely not extremely fundamentalist ones) being OK with this because it helps them put their fucking cheesy Decalogue out there.  Well at least these Xians seem to have some confidence that no one will take the satanic one seriously and suddenly start visiting the "high places."  (Their own damn book seems to indicate lots of people would fall off that wagon with regularity--one would think it would be easy not to.)

What I just love about the fight over ten commandments displays is the disingenuous argument "Well what's wrong with 'Thou Shalt Not Kill?'"  Strawman, big time; there's little wrong with it other than the fact that it's number seven in the list after five purely religious directives about how to prostrate before Yahweh, and one which really ought not be codified into law.  The problem isn't with "Thou Shalt Not Kill" but rather with "I am Yahweh Thy God and Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me" et. seq.

Comment by Diane on January 29, 2014 at 8:49pm

He said support for the monument, which he suggested would allow children to have their pictures taken on the figure’s lap for family fun, is growing by the day.

I wouldn't want to see a ridiculous display of a bunch of religious monuments on public land, but the above statement is awesome. 

Comment by Gallup's Mirror on January 30, 2014 at 12:13am

I wouldn't want to see a ridiculous display of a bunch of religious monuments on public land, but the above statement is awesome.

If it's going to be a carnival of monuments, let's put up one that displays the missing Biblical passages for the Ten Commandments. The penalties for breaking them have been omitted. They always are because for eight out of ten, the penalty is rape, death or genocide. The death sentence is stoning in some cases.

Let's put up the proper, complete Biblical code of morality and see how the Okie Christian crackpots feel about that kind of "history".

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1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Punishment:  Genocide. The entire non-Yahweh worshipping population shall be put to death. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40.) Exception: Young girls are to be kept alive and raped (Numbers 31:15-18).

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Punishment:  Genocide. The entire non-Yahweh worshipping population shall be put to death. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40)
Exception: Keep the young girls alive to rape them (Numbers 31:15-18).

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
Punishment: Death. (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29)

4. Remember the sabbath and keep it holy.
Punishment: Death (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32)

5. Honour thy father and thy mother.
Punishment: Death (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Punishment: Death (Leviticus 20:10)

6. Thou shalt not kill.
Punishment: Usually Death. (Genesis 4:15).

8. Thou shalt not steal.
Punishment: If you stole by night: Death (Exodus 22:1-3) | If you stole a slave: Death (Exodus 21:16) | Otherwise slavery or steep fines (Exodus 22:1-3).

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Punishment: Scorn (Proverbs 12:8)

10. Thou shalt not covet... anything that is your neighbor's.
Punishment: Scorn (Romans 7:7-8)

Comment by Diane on January 30, 2014 at 6:12am

Well, ok, sure, but they're not going to be half as much fun as a goat-headed pagan god upon whose lap people can sit.  

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