Comment by Theresa on February 16, 2010 at 4:33pm

http://www.myspace.com/straightatheists

Oops, forgot to add the link. There it is. :)

Comment by Pinko Commie on February 16, 2010 at 5:05pm

That's ridiculous. Sounds like that dude is trying to logically justify his own prejudice.

Comment by noisician on February 16, 2010 at 5:26pm

He says he's not AGAINST gays.
He's just DISGUSTED by gays.

... and apparently COMPLETELY OBSESSED with gays.
They're so DIRTY right? It's so NASTY what they do, isn't it?
I bet you could go on talking about it all day, couldn't you?
Maybe even writing music about that NAUGHTY gay sex, right?

But really, I agree with him in this way: yeah, guys are hairy and gross and not sexually attractive to me. Then again: I don't spend a lot of time thinking about and writing music about ("disgusting") gay sex.

Protest a little too much, maybe?

(Also, that "straight pride" thing is a little too chillingly similar to "white pride": as if the overwhelming majority really needed to make a point of puffing themselves up.)

Comment by Dave G on February 16, 2010 at 5:40pm

It's just evidence that one does not have to be rational to be an atheist. And yeah, he's no 'freethinker'. Anyone who purports that 'you have to agree with me to be a freethinker' is not one.

Comment by Doug Reardon on February 16, 2010 at 8:04pm

Any sufficiently large sample will have all the variability found in the general population. Ergo, there are atheists who are idiots!

Comment by Shine on February 16, 2010 at 8:05pm

Noisician raises a great point: the guy is obsessed with gays. "Charlie Check'm" may claim that he finds gays disgusting, but I honestly think that true disgust would lead you to not willingly discuss and think about the subject constantly.

Also, Charlie's disgust for the male form apparently does not prevent him from admiring numerous shirtless images of himself. Perhaps this is just due to supreme narcissism, but it still does not support his "dudes are gross" platform very well.

Comment by Theresa on February 16, 2010 at 8:11pm

I mean, if he didn't preach the freethinking bit so much it wouldn't be as bad. I don't agree with him in the slightest, but its harder to swallow when he keeps going on and on about how he and the people who agree with him are freethinkers.

Comment by Todd on February 16, 2010 at 10:05pm

Personally, I've never really understood the whole "men are gross" argument. If that really is true, how does he explain all of the straight women in the world? Does he not believe that straight women find men attractive?

This is actually a topic that I have discussed in the past with feminist friends because it seems to be tied up with the demonization of female sexuality. To me, this argument goes hand in hand with the very old fashioned and very fascist idea put forth by western religion which says that women are not meant to enjoy sex.

Traditionally, women were often taught that sex is generally miserable. Women were not expected to obtain any pleasure from sex, and the act itself was seen as a necessary duty that a woman performed in order to please her husband. Even today, some muslim countries go so far as to use female genital mutilation to help ensure that sex will never be enjoyable for a woman.

Of course, any women who had the audacity to actually enjoy sex or express an open attraction to men were demonized and punished. In muslim countries, such behavior can still bring a death sentence.

If men are really so disgusting, it would seem to imply that sex with a man would be far from enjoyable. It would be nothing more than a horrible burden that a straight woman must endure. As for the gays and the women who enjoy men too much, well, there is always stoning. Just like the good old days.

Comment by Shine on February 16, 2010 at 10:20pm

Great point, Todd, linking the "disgusting" nature of the male form as underlying opposition to openly sexual women and gay men alike.

Comment by James on February 16, 2010 at 10:23pm

looks like he didn't quite get to being a true freethinker. He has a clear prejudice that will never change. Now, one could argue that homosexuality doesn't make Darwinian sense since the parties won't be able to reproduce traditionally, and pass on their genes. If that was the argument, I would agree. But at the same time I can't agree with the dogmatic hatred that religions press on these individuals. Part of being a freethinker is being open minded. I for one may not see homosexuality as my cup of tea. Yet I respect that that is who they are and don't hate them for simply being true to themselves. I have some homosexual/bisexual friends, and they are genuine people just like you and I. Charlie needs to realize that one can be open minded and still not be a 'fan'. But to carry on like he is, only goes to illustrate how close minded he is on this particular subject.

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