I must admit, I'm not a big fan of Richard Dawkins or Steve Pinker for that matter. They're quite ethnocentric. As a feminist and someone who veers more towards the left, I can't stand their Darwinian style elitism. I'm looking for more equitable Athiest or Agnostic thinkers, if anyone could recommend anything please inbox or comment. I'm new to this site so go easy on me. Also any texts that criticize main theological issues in Islam would be great. Documentaries are also welcome. If you're going to refer me to anything in Arabic, it would help if you know a free pdf version of it because I can't always access Arabic books where I live. They're usually very rare. 

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Comment by Rocky john on November 10, 2013 at 1:21am

One atheist youtuber i am sure you will enjoy is TheThinkingAtheist. He is a prolific poster of both very good short clips and longer shows where he discusses various aspects on religion. He iis very different to Dawkins and Pinker.

Hes longer podcast are also very good though he mainly deals with christian issues.Though here is one he did on Islam and woman.

Comment by Random Cairene on November 10, 2013 at 2:07pm

don't apologize for the late reply .. we all get busy sometimes.

Abdullah el Qasemie is the only one who came out as an atheist among those i mentioned .. Sayed el Qumni said that he's a Mo'tazala (probably to dutch the death threats) , Khalil Abdel Karim consider himself a "liberal muslim" .. and Farag Fouda was denounced by Sheikh al Azhar back then who actually praised his killers .. Farag was considered an apostle by many muslims for criticizing sharia law and Khilafa.
there was a lecture for him moderated by the famous Nawal el Sadawi back in the 90's were he attacked sharia laws, the hijab and niqab along with many other things .. it's not as famous as his debate with sheikh al azhar at the book fair but i consider it one of his best.
you can watch it in this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn11fksj-KM

good luck with your exams.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 10, 2013 at 4:27pm

Yup, that's very true Rocky. It's also when that rich white guy fully supports imperialist policies that put you in that situation to begin with. I love the sources and I love hearing about atheism from dissented voices. I will definitely check them out. I'm still listening to Maryam at the moment, she's got a lot of stuff. She makes some interesting points about freedom and rights. 

Thank you Bella, I found the video by looking up the title =) 

Marvel, I was completely unaware of that. Was he one of the ones who were brought to court for apostasy? I'm really interested in that and what happens to people when the court rules that they are apostates. Oh and I love Nawal El Sadawi! She's definitely one of the people that led me to feminism and questioning religion. Will definitely check it out. Thank you, I need it =D

Thank you all for the sources. I really appreciate it! =)

Comment by Random Cairene on November 11, 2013 at 6:04am

Farag Foda was never brought to trial because islamists killed him before that happens .. he was shot dead infront of his son back in the early 90s .. during the trial of the assailants sheikh Mohammed al Ghazali defended them by saying "anyone who openly resisted the full imposition of Islamic law was an apostate who should be killed either by the government or by devout individuals"

not to mention that he was murdered according to a fatwa declared by the front of al-Azhar clerics who called him an apostle who should be killed.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 11, 2013 at 10:56am

0__0 how come I don't know this?!! WTF Al Ghazali and Al Azhar? seriously? I didn't know that they were that messed up :S

Comment by Laila Moe on November 11, 2013 at 11:13am

What's even more disturbing is that Al Azhar is basically controlled by the state... I wonder what would happen if a more islamist government took power

Comment by Random Cairene on November 12, 2013 at 1:00pm

it's true that al Azhar is controlled by the state and in response to that the front of al-Azhar clerics was formed to oppose the governmental supervision over it.
it's a movement aiming at the independence of al-Azhar from state control and of course establishing sharia law among many other things.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 12, 2013 at 11:14pm

Is that connected to the Brotherhood in any way? Because I know that the Brotherhood is trying to gain control over al azhar (although morsi completely abused his power over religious institutions when campaigning for the referendum)... this is all very confusing.  

Comment by Random Cairene on November 14, 2013 at 8:37am

they are connected by a way or another .. not necessarily by being active members of the MB but at least they share the same ideology .. they share the same target which is that islam dominates the world.

Comment by Laila Moe on November 14, 2013 at 9:44am

-__-' that's disappointing. Is there any hope, ever?


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