Comment by Nelson on March 9, 2009 at 6:22pm

it's a common tact of theirs both to deny that there are any such things as atheists- atheists believe in god deep down, they just are rebelling or don't want to feel responsible for their actions- and to claim that all atheists and agnostics convert and repent on their death beds.
the dishonesty that people will rise to so as to feel comfortable in their delusion despite the nagging dissonance... it's pretty remarkable.

Comment by SkepticalAtheist on March 9, 2009 at 6:50pm

Hrm. There is no god to thumb my nose at. That comment is a trap. The only atheists that stare into a black void are depressed teenage goth (or is it emo?) girls. The rest of us are out there living our lives.

Comment by MightyMateo on March 10, 2009 at 5:16am

I wish goth would make a come back, they were less annoying than the emo kids. lol

Comment by Pam on March 10, 2009 at 10:04am

That's such a great story. I mean, not "great" because you died for a minute, but it's really interesting and compelling. I'm interested in what they said in response to it.

I wish goth would make a come back, they were less annoying than the emo kids. lol
lmao, I'm with you on that.

Comment by MightyMateo on March 10, 2009 at 10:43am

Havent received a response yet but I think thats a good thing. lol, I put it in a forum of stories about near death experiences, I didnt see any first hand accounts in there so I added mine. I just hope that it will get people thinking a bit maybe, it seems that emotional stuff like this works better than common sense and facts. lol

Comment by Cara Coleen on March 11, 2009 at 12:06am

It's true. There's really no way for Christians (or members of other religions) to prove that an after-death-experience is anything more than a dream of sorts. I've had dreams about demons and spiritual stuff that felt very real... but since my "conversion", those dreams have stopped. I believe this is because I'm no longer haunted by superstition. In a way, it's sad because scary movies aren't scary any more. HA! In any case, we probably hallucinate about what we already have in our brains when we pass.

Comment by Nelson on March 11, 2009 at 12:27am

in fact you're right Cara...
studies done on out of body near-death experiences (NDE) find that people that were raised in Christian religion and in cultures where the Christian religion is dominant will see Christian iconography (Jesus, Mary, etc...) in their NDE. similarly, people who were raised in Islamic or Hindu or any other religion or in a culture where one religion is more dominant over another, such a person will see iconography common to that religion (Mohammed, Krishna, Vishna).
of course this means that claims that NDE out of body experiences where religious iconography is seen is no evidence for the truth of one religion over another because:
1. it appears to be based on what religion the person was already a part of or what religion is dominant in their culture.
2. since it happens to all religions somewhat equally along the lines of what percentage of the number of followers of each religion, and since Muslims don't see Christian iconography and Christians don't see Hindu iconography etc.(something you'd expect if one religion did have a legitimate truth claim), then, even if NDE's are invoked as evidence of the truth of one religion, so must the person making such an invocation acknowledge that the experiences of Muslims and Hindus etc. are evidence of the truth of those religions. and so all that person has done, if anything at all, is provide an argument for the truth of all religions equally but not of their religion particularly.

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